<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body>
<p>Hi Chris;</p>
<p>That's not for the eVault. Other Wrenches have mentioned using a
pet heating pad with a 120 vac plug in thermostat. I'm going to
try that, I'll report back to the list what I find. <br>
</p>
<p>Secondly, I am having issues figuring out how to do the closed
loop coms. The Fortress instructions contradict themselves on how
to even make up the proper CANbus cable, as apparently MODbus is
not stable anymore, after the latest Solark firmware upgrades.
I'm about to just apply the KISSbus, which is to blow off the
closed loop com all together, and <i><b>K</b>eep <b>I</b>t <b>S</b>imple
<b>S#@$%</b></i>!, otherwise known as No Coms at all. <br>
</p>
<p>I've screwed with Com stuff since the 90s, but usually been
disappointed, to downright horrified with the final results.
Somebody explain to me like a 2 year old again, why closed loop is
so much better? Think off grid, where reliability is 10 times
more important than squeezing an extra 5% capacity out of the
battery.... Notes in the online instructions such as "<i>Failure
to properly upgrade the firmware may cause the battery to stop
working!", </i> are not making we want to push ahead with
closed loop either.<br>
</p>
<p>Ray<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/9/2023 11:01 AM, Chris Schaefer
via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAFOvL0Y5uSXeXeiKSYk94VYLC_xJJeG7SDdcfjBATLCTa0n29w@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="ltr">Ray,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'd suggest reaching out to the Fortress techie's as they
just introduced a heater product for their enclosure products.
While I don't believe they have a unit specif to the eVault
but you should be able to make it work.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christopher</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM
Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches <<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Pet heater have worked for me, I air gap a
sealed heater box under the battery, thermostat inside the
top of the battery. It's slow and low power but does the
trick
<div dir="auto">Fun times</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 8, 2023, 3:05
PM Ray Walters via RE-wrenches <<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi All;<br>
<br>
I have a fresh Fortress Evault installation with a Solark
inverter. The <br>
batteries are indoors in the center of the house, but the
customer is <br>
not there full time, so the battery is unfortunately going
below <br>
freezing. What are the best options for setting up a
heating system for <br>
the E Vault?<br>
<br>
Here are ideas that I have not tried, but am considering:<br>
1) add a 240 v, 1000 w baseboard heater in the room near
the battery <br>
that is wired to only run off the generator. Run the
generator until <br>
the heat comes up, and then hopefully after 30 minutes,
the battery <br>
would begin accepting a charge.<br>
<br>
2) Add an 120 vac heating blanket under the evault that
would be wired <br>
to a thermostat, but also have a relay control from the PV
system, so <br>
that the heater would only operate when the sun was out,
and the battery <br>
was below 50F. I don't quite know how to set this up
with the Solark's <br>
load controls.<br>
<br>
I've considered some DC options, but they don't make much
sense, since <br>
the inverter has to be on to charge from PV anyway.<br>
<br>
The long term plan is for the client to finish the
insulation, and sheet <br>
rock, and add a gas wall heater in there as needed.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Ray Walters<br>
Remote Solar<br>
in the Colorado mountain cold.....<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>
<br>
Pay optional member dues here: <a
href="http://re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer
noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
List Address: <a
href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
Change listserver email address & settings:<br>
<a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
There are two list archives for searching. When one
doesn't work, try the other:<br>
<a
href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a><br>
<a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
List rules & etiquette:<br>
<a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br>
<br>
Check out or update participant bios:<br>
<a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>
<br>
Pay optional member dues here: <a
href="http://re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
List Address: <a
href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
Change listserver email address & settings:<br>
<a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't
work, try the other:<br>
<a
href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a><br>
<a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
List rules & etiquette:<br>
<a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br>
<br>
Check out or update participant bios:<br>
<a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br clear="all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<p style="text-align:center"><span
style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif">Chris Schaefer’s<br>
</font></span><a
href="http:www.solarandwindfx.com"
style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><img
src="http://www.solarandwindfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Solar-Wind-FX-Logo.png"
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family:
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="200" height="40"></a><br>
<i><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span
style="font-size:9pt">Tel/Fax
585-229-2083 or Cell 585-748-1870 </span><span
style="font-size:12px"><br>
</span></span></i><i style="font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:10pt"><font color="#1f497d"><font
face="Arial, sans-serif">5115
South Hill Road ~ Canandaigua New York 14424<br>
</font></font></span></i><i
style="font-size:12.8px"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a
href="http://www.solarandwindfx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:blue">www.solarandwindfx.com</span></a>
~ E-mail: <span style="color:blue"><a
href="mailto:chris@solarandwindfx.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">chris@solarandwindfx.com</a></span></span></i></p>
<p style="text-align:center"><i><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><img
src="http://solarandwindfx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/certs.jpg"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="200" height="56"><br>
</span></i></p>
<p style="text-align:center"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:black">Thomas
Jefferson,
the author of our great Constitution, once said,
"democracy" will
cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give
to those who would not."</span><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance
Pay optional member dues here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://re-wrenches.org">http://re-wrenches.org</a>
List Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>
Change listserver email address & settings:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>
There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>
List rules & etiquette:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a>
Check out or update participant bios:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>