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    <p><font size="4">Wouldn't the microinverters shut down if the
        voltage rose?  They wouldn't be able to raise voltage about
        PUC/DPU limits I would think. They would shut down on high
        voltage. I am saying this because of an experience this fall
        where our infamous Block Island Power Company raised the taps on
        a local xfmr due to their "secret heat pump program" that was
        dragging down local voltage. They claimed solar was a burden,
        but were quiet on the load building program they embarked upon
        without any disclosure.   When the cooling loads disappeared,
        the voltage went above our grid tied systems set points and they
        shut down.  We told the utility they had a high voltage problem
        and they adjusted the taps.  Of course they did not acknowledge
        or thank us.  It seems our little coop which is now head from a
        guy from the Vermont Electric Coop is taking an old utility
        approach instead of cooperation, integration and maximization of
        performance and economics. <br>
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    <p><font size="4">I'd think you be able to ask how the supply can
        raise the voltage when there is so much diversified load on the
        same device.   Electricians have to do a diversity calculation,
        and I know a utility has to conduct them as part of these
        studies. Worse case of no load and all generation is such a low
        probability that to design for it, when/if it occurred, is not a
        danger and of no material consequence makes little sense. But,
        we've been dealing with that ever since this person arrived in
        our neck of the woods.</font></p>
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    <p><font size="4">Chris Warfel <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/25/2022 5:21 PM, Garrison via
      RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi William,</div>
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      <div dir="ltr">One possible path forward would be to ask the
        utility co what AC inverter capacity would be allowed. Maybe the
        solution would be to unplug a micro or two if you are just over
        the limit. Even better, maybe they would allow you set an export
        limit on the micros you have installed.</div>
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      <div dir="ltr">I had a recent situation where a 40kW DC system had
        exceeded a utility transformer by only 2kW AC, so a simple
        redesign avoided an $8k invoice from the utility. The utility
        was not transparent about this option at first and only made it
        clear after some persistence.</div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Good luck,</div>
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      <div dir="ltr">Garrison Riegel</div>
      <div dir="ltr">Celestar Solar</div>
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Dec 25, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Darryl
          Thayer via RE-wrenches
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:times new
              roman,serif;font-size:large">It is common practice for the
              utility to overload the transformer a lot for the
              potential load.  They expect no one will use their service
              at maximum, furthermore, they expect non coincidence of
              loads.  Look at the transformer most have a label as to
              the kW or the unit, and the utility should give you that
              number along with the impedance.  Note I have had area
              engineers not understand that solar reduces the load on
              the transformer.  They have two concerns, you will
              overload and you will raise the voltage
              to other customers.  Overload is ridiculous;
              the transformer must be at least 20 kW if a 15 kW concern
              is valid.  However, raising the voltage is not.  If all
              the customers shut off their power, the voltage would rise
              to the inverter limit,and/or feed current back on the
              distribution line raising up/downstream customers
              voltage.  I have had this problem, on three occasions
              discussions with the utility upper engineering, not local
              engineer, i prevailed, one case I did not.   In one cast
              utility allowed connection and put a voltage monitor on
              secondary voltage, then later allowed
              permanent connection..   Good luck   </div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at
              1:16 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches <<a
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                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Wrenched:</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Merry
                        Christmas to those of you that observe such
                        traditions, or substitute the winter festivity
                        of your choice.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I
                        helped a previous employee install an Enphase
                        IQ8 system on his home.  He applied for the
                        utility approval concurrently with his building
                        permit  The day he got his final inspection the
                        utility contacted him and claimed "The aggregate
                        generation exceeds the identified transformer
                        rating" and refused him a Permission to Operate
                        letter.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif""> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Adding
                        up the service ratings of the homes on his
                        secondary we get about 336 kW of potential
                        consumption.  Adding the grid-tied systems on
                        his secondary we get about 16.5 kW.  How is it
                        that the back-feed exceeds the transformer
                        rating?</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">I
                        would appreciate any insight on how to consider
                        this situation and how to fight it.</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">Sincerely,</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,"sans-serif"">William
                        Miller</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">Miller
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">805-438-5600</span></p>
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                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif""><a
                          href="http://www.millersolar.com/"
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                        style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,"sans-serif"">CA
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