<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body>
    <p><font size="4">What happens if the study shows yes, that their no
        was wrong. Or does that never happen?😕</font></p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/26/2022 12:48 PM, Jay via
      RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:73D4016D-C6EA-4247-B4C6-532124B819F7@gmail.com">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="ltr">If the utility is PG&E in my experience here is
        what happens </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr">They say yes or no to the interconnection. </div>
      <div dir="ltr">If no you have the option to request an engineering
        study to determine how much solar. That study is at your
        expense, paid in advance and the exact cost isn’t known until
        the study is done. Could be $500 to $15,000 or more. </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr">I’ll be curious to know what happens </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr">Jay</div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Dec 26, 2022, at 9:07 AM, Drake
          Chamberlin via RE-wrenches
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></a> wrote:<br>
          <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div dir="ltr">
          <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
            charset=UTF-8">
          <p><br>
          </p>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">William, </span></p>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I ran into this once on an
              old transformer, which fortunately they changed at no
              cost. It was a 10 kW transformer on a 200 A (48 kW)
              service. They had some dimming of lights on heavy loads,
              and the transformer was changed out on that basis, at no
              charge. </span></p>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My questions for the utility
              would be?</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span></p>
          <ul>
            <li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Are there any other PV
                systems feeding the transformer?</span>
              <ul>
                <li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If so, what is their
                    maximum production.</span></li>
              </ul>
            </li>
            <li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What size is the
                transformer?</span></li>
            <li><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What percentage of
                transformer capacity is allowed to be back-fed.</span></li>
          </ul>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If the math comes out in
              your favor, you will have a good case to escalate to the
              next level. </span></p>
          <p><br>
          </p>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Good Luck,</span></p>
          <p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Drake</span></p>
          <p><br>
          </p>
          <p>Drake Chamberlin</p>
          <p>Athens Electric LLC</p>
          <p>Ohio Electrical Contractor’s License 44810</p>
          <p>CO Master Electrician’s License 4526</p>
          <p>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional</p>
          <p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p>
          <p id="reply-intro">On 2022-12-25 13:58, William Miller via
            RE-wrenches wrote:</p>
          <blockquote type="cite" style="padding: 0 0.4em; border-left:
            #1010ff 2px solid; margin: 0">
            <div id="replybody1">
              <div lang="EN-US">
                <div class="v1WordSection1">
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Wrenched:</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Merry
                      Christmas to those of you that observe such
                      traditions, or substitute the winter festivity of
                      your choice.</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">I helped a
                      previous employee install an Enphase IQ8 system on
                      his home.  He applied for the utility approval
                      concurrently with his building permit  The day he
                      got his final inspection the utility contacted him
                      and claimed "The aggregate generation exceeds the
                      identified transformer rating" and refused him a
                      Permission to Operate letter.</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Adding up
                      the service ratings of the homes on his secondary
                      we get about 336 kW of potential consumption. 
                      Adding the grid-tied systems on his secondary we
                      get about 16.5 kW.  How is it that the back-feed
                      exceeds the transformer rating?</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">I would
                      appreciate any insight on how to consider this
                      situation and how to fight it.</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">Sincerely,</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';">William
                      Miller</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif';"> </span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Miller Solar</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">17395 Oak
                      Road, Atascadero, CA 93422</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">805-438-5600</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"><a
                        href="http://www.millersolar.com/"
                        target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">www.millersolar.com</a></span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt;
                      font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">CA Lic. 773985</span></p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"> </p>
                  <p class="v1MsoNormal"> </p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family:
              monospace">_______________________________________________<br>
              List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>
              <br>
              Pay optional member dues here: <a
                href="http://re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"
                rel="noopener noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              List Address: <a
                href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              Change listserver email address & settings:<br>
              <a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
                target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              There are two list archives for searching. When one
              doesn't work, try the other:<br>
              <a
                href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/"
                target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a><br>
              <a
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
                target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              List rules & etiquette:<br>
              <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"
                target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br>
              <br>
              Check out or update participant bios:<br>
              <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"
                target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
          <span>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance</span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Pay optional member dues here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://re-wrenches.org">http://re-wrenches.org</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>List Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Change listserver email address & settings:</span><br>
          <span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>There are two list archives for searching. When one
            doesn't work, try the other:</span><br>
          <span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a></span><br>
          <span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>List rules & etiquette:</span><br>
          <span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
          <span>Check out or update participant bios:</span><br>
          <span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a></span><br>
          <span></span><br>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset>
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance

Pay optional member dues here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://re-wrenches.org">http://re-wrenches.org</a>

List Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>

Change listserver email address & settings:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>

There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/">https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>

List rules & etiquette:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a>

Check out or update participant bios:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">http://www.members.re-wrenches.org</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div class="moz-signature">
        <div class="moz-signature">
          <div class="moz-signature">
            <div class="moz-signature">
              <div class="moz-signature">
                <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
                  charset=UTF-8">
                <title></title>
                <font face="PMingLiU-ExtB">         Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â 
                  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Christopher Warfel</font><br>
                <font face="PMingLiU-ExtB">    Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â Â  ENTECH
                  Engineering, Inc.</font><br>
                <font face="PMingLiU-ExtB">PO Box 871, Block Island, RI
                  02807</font><br>
                <font face="PMingLiU-ExtB">    Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â 
                  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  401-466-8978</font><br>
                <font face="PMingLiU-ExtB"><a
                    href="http://entech-engineering.com"><img
                      moz-do-not-send="false"
                      src="cid:part1.0VAy03Lf.FqqbhoKo@entech-engineering.com"
                      alt="" width="274" height="121" border="0"></a><br>
                </font><br>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </div>
  </body>
</html>