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    <p>Undoing the N-G bond at the E panel may not do it either.  Are
      you sure neutral isn't also bonded in the main distribution
      panel?  It usually is bonded at the generator, so you definitely
      have to unbond there.  I'd say 60 to 70% of off grid systems are
      not bonded correctly that I've seen.  Just what Kirk said: it
      should only be bonded N-G at one and only one spot.  Check sub
      panels too.  My record was seven N-G bonds on one site.  It caused
      the shower to be energized; the customer thought that was
      normal....(don't touch the shower head!?!).....That site even had
      a N-G bond in the well pump wiring!  Took 3 days of unF***ing that
      wiring to finally get it.<br>
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    <p>It ain't safe, until it's right.  The GFCI is doing its job, and
      so is the Magnum.  Now the electrician has to do his job.  Unless
      you wired the whole house, you're On to fix it.  Especially off
      grid, I see an amazing bunch of DIY garbage.  Find out who did the
      original wiring.  Probably not a pro.<br>
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    <p>Ray Walters<br>
      Remote Solar<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/16/2022 11:35 AM, Kirk Herander
      via RE-wrenches wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">You may have neutral and ground connected at more
        than 1 location, meaning at the genset and in house panel, which
        means the ground is carrying current back to the generator in
        parallel with the neutral.
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          <div>I remember with some Honda portables we had to float the
            neutral at the genset or the inverter would trip the
            generator's GFI when trying to charge the batteries.</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 1:16
            PM Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar via RE-wrenches <<a
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                <pre><span style="font-size:12pt">The easy answer is try another genset !  You have to be more specific, did it ever work? Is it new? etc.  Good Luck !</span></pre>
                <pre><strong><span style="font-size:small">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
"we go where powerlines don't"
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                  style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:monospace">Hi
                  folks:<br>
                  <br>
                  We have a new Magnum MS4024 mounted on an E-Panel
                  using a MidNite Classic 150 and Whiz-Bang JR with
                  power coming from an array of Trina
                  TSM365-De06X-05(II) (three strings of three) with the
                  ME-RC50 and a HUP SolarOne 6-85-14/24 battery.<br>
                  When we attempt to use the PFC (Power Factored
                  Charger), the Gen Set’s GFCI outlets trip.  Thus far
                  we have verified the connections are secure, assured
                  that the gen set is grounded, disconnected the jumper
                  within the E-Panel between the ground buss and
                  neutral, checked AC voltages, removed the MNSPD’s from
                  the buss(s)…  Stumped now on what an appropriate next
                  step should be.  How do we get the PFC to function
                  properly?  What are we missing?<br>
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                  Best,<br>
                  <br>
                  Chris Daum<br>
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