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<p>That's one rule I don't fully understand. As you mentioned,
"subject to physical damage" is not well defined, and second Sch
40 PVC itself is tough. I've purposely run over it with a. 3/4
ton truck, and it only ovals, it didn't break. I've rarely seen
broken PVC conduit, but what I have seen is broken couplings, male
adapters, and especially LBs. They are made from a more brittle
plastic. I also see many failed glue jobs, too. <br>
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<p> The other problem I find is not using expansion couplings for
stub ups out of the ground. The trench settles over the years,
and pulls the conduit out of the MA, or breaks the MA. Again,
Schedule 80 doesn't solve that problem either. I think better
glue, stronger fittings, and expansion couplings are needed as
well as Sch 80 to insure long term protection.</p>
<p>Ray Walters</p>
<p>Remote Solar<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/18/17 9:53 AM, cpickard
aladdinsolar.com wrote:<br>
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<p>You should always specify Sched 80 for those stubs out of the
ground. Makes sense to me that an AHJ requires it -- protect the
conductors from maintenance tractor, lawn mower, weed whip, show
shovel (Minnesota), and temperature differentials (transitioning
from underground temps to air). But I haven't ever seen a formal
definition of "subject to physical damage" in the code. 230.5
describes a few examples of physical damage areas for protection
(although is specifically talking about service entrance
conductor locations) which includes exactly your conductor
locations. Also review Articles 300.4 and 300.5. </p>
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black;">Same rule enforced here in Idaho & Colorado.
In Idaho we even have to use Sched 80 anywhere above the
finished floor even the attic and in walls [if required].</span></p>
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.5in;"><strong>From:</strong> RE-wrenches
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <strong>On
Behalf Of </strong>Jerry Caldwell<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, September 13, 2017
11:03 AM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> RE-wrenches
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<strong>Subject:</strong> [RE-wrenches] definition of
"areas of physical damage"</p>
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<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal" style="margin-left:
.5in; background: white;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color:
black;">Dear Wrenches,</span></p>
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id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15246">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal" style="margin-left:
.5in; background: white;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color:
black;"> </span></p>
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<div
id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15245">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal" style="margin-left:
.5in; background: white;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color:
black;">I have a residential ground mounted
installation that did not pass inspection due to
schedule 40 PVC conduit stubbing up from a trench to
the inverters and subpanel. The inverters and
subpanel are hung on Unistrut, which is attached to
the rear posts of the ground rack. There is a second
subpanel next to the main on the side of the house
with schedule 40 stubbing up into it as well.</span></p>
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id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15415">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal" style="margin-left:
.5in; background: white;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color:
black;"> </span></p>
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id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15604">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal" style="margin-left:
.5in; background: white;"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color:
black;">The inspector insists that conduit stubbing
out of the ground is subject to physical damage and
needs to be replaced with schedule 80 even though it
is not in an area where vehicles or mobile equipment
are used. Is there a generally accepted definition of
"areas of physical damage" as seen in 350.10 (F)?</span></p>
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<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;"> </span></p>
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id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15764">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">The
inspector has said he would consider my
argument if I can provide language from the
Code to back up my position.</span></p>
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id="ox-c31a950026-yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1505320624260_15749">
<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">Any
help is greatly appreciated.</span></p>
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<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
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Caldwell</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">On Saturday,
October 4, 2008 8:28 AM, Geoff Greenfield <<a
href="mailto:geoff@third-sun.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">geoff@third-sun.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">thanks
for input Bill, and also for tip on zipties.
We have dealt with intermittent groundfaults
caused by faulty xlp! Had to spray water on
array to "find" it. PITA! Almost makes me
want to submerge the spool next time and do my
own test. </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">-----
Bill Brooks <<a
href="mailto:billbrooks7@yahoo.com"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">billbrooks7@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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Geoff,</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">> SS
zip ties are good, but you must be very
careful not to pull them tight.</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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They should only be snug, not tight. These SS
zip ties have been shown to</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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cause ground faults in many cases. Commercial
rooftops are accessible, but</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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not readily accessible. Conductors must be
supported properly and protected</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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from physical damage. The conductors must
follow structural members. If they</span></p>
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leave structural members, they must be in a
raceway of some kind. A variety</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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options there.</span></p>
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Bill.</span></p>
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-----Original Message-----</span></p>
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From: <a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a></span></p>
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[mailto:<a
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Geoff</span></p>
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Greenfield</span></p>
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:19 AM</span></p>
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To: RE-wrenches</span></p>
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Cc: Randy; Kent Phillips</span></p>
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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Protection of
Conductors</span></p>
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Hey wrenchers... we have an internal debate
going about a code section</span></p>
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interpretation... "subject to physical
damage". Code compliance is a must,</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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best practice is an expectation (...weighed
against material and labor cost</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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(prevailing wage job)). </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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Application is a flat roof with no public
access (locked hatch). We are</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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using DP+W "Power-tube" flat roofing system
for the first time... the</span></p>
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question is how to deal with the inter-row N-S
wire runs... about 100 gaps</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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about 24" between the E-W rows of panels.
There are plenty of 2"x2" strut</span></p>
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members running under the array N-S. We will
"exit" the array field in</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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ridgid conduit to combiner boxes.</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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The flat roof system we usually use has built
in wire trays... using this</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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new system has brought up this question... Our
options include dressing the</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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XLP bundles with SS zip ties alongside the N-S
struts, or using Galv. RMC,</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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strapped, with bushings (or S-80 PVC) at all
these walkways... or using</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
Unistrut (w/cap) as a lay in wireway (to speed
up labor (debatable)).</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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Below are some of the code references... the
basic question seems to be:</span></p>
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does the limited access of this roof keep us
out of "subject to physical</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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damage"? What is a "Readily accessible
location?"</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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Thanks everyone.</span></p>
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For a brighter energy future,</span></p>
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Geoff Greenfield</span></p>
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Third Sun Solar & Wind Power Ltd.</span></p>
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style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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moz-do-not-send="true">www.Third-Sun.com</a></span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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Clean Energy - Expertly Installed</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> Next, one might argue, I suppose, that
the racking system itself, acts</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> as</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> protection and that the conductors should
therefore, not be considered</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> to</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> be exposed. I disagree based on NEC
definition. That stated, I</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> would</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> consider these NEC references for more
perspective:</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> Pretty straightforward NEC 100
Definitions Exposed (as applied to</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> wiring</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> methods): On or attached to the
surface... </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> NEC 300.4 gives various cases for
protection against physical damage</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> requirements. Long article. Worth a
read. Does not address our</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> exact</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> case, but I would say that the following
methods would be appropriate</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> based on similar cases... </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> NEC 344.10 (A)(1) Galvanized steel and
stainless steel RMC. ...shall</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> be</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> permitted under all atmospheric
conditions and occupancies. </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> NEC 352.10(f) Exposed. PVC conduit shall
be permitted for exposed</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> work.</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> PVC conduit used exposed in areas of
physical damage shall be</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> identified</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> for the use. FPN: PVC conduit, Type
Schedule 80, is identified for</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> areas</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> of physical damage. </span></p>
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> </span></p>
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> Also,</span></p>
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> NEC 690.31(A) ...Where photovoltaic
source and output circuits</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> operating</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> at maximum system voltages greater than
30 volts are installed in</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> readily</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> accesible locations, circuit conductors
shall be installed in a</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> raceway.</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> One might argue, then, why don't the
module interconnects have to be</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> protected, also...</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> </span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
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> NEC 690.31(B) is really the key to all of
this: Single-Conductor</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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> Cable.</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> Single-conductor cable type USE-2, and
single-conductor cable listed</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> and</span></p>
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style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: black;">>
> labeled as photovoltaic (PV) wire shall
be permitted in exposed</span></p>
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<p class="ox-c31a950026-MsoNormal"
style="margin-left: .5in; background: white;"><span
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