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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2017 5:54 AM, Drake wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:20170830125426.2893E10130@che.dreamhost.com">
      Hi boB,<br>
      <br>
      Would there be any issues with delayed control of the
      microinverters? We
      do  plan to  use disconnects for maintenance.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Drake <br>
      <br>
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    <br>
    <br>
    I highly doubt there would be enough delay to worry about anything
    regarding battery damage....<br>
    <br>
    Even with Rule 21 or its cousins in a normal home installation.<br>
    <br>
    boB<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170830125426.2893E10130@che.dreamhost.com">
      At 06:27 PM 8/29/2017, you wrote:<br>
      <blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Content-Type:
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         boundary="------------155C815B9802686293824DDD"<br>
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        <br>
        SSRs, especially AC SSRs made from thyrisotrs (scrs and/or
        triacs) 
        are "leaky" in general<br>
        <br>
        so when turned OFF, can cause a shock....  Maybe not enough to
        kill
        you but maybe enough<br>
        <br>
        to make you fall off the roof !<br>
        <br>
        I'm not sure why the disconnects aren't good enough which should
        already
        be in place ?<br>
        <br>
        boB<br>
        <br>
        On 8/29/2017 4:53 AM, Jason Szumlanski wrote:<br>
        <blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">My vote would still
          be to use
          two single pole relays as suggested previously to kill each
          leg. That way
          you build in redundancy and dropping either leg will do the
          trick. In
          fact, it sounds like this would be even better than a two pole
          relay for
          the redundancy reason.<br>
          <br>
          The other factor is whether you are using NO or NC relays. My
          engineer
          requires NO relays in these cases so they would fail in the
          open position
          only. I'm not sure how this would work, or if it would work
          with solid
          state relays. I have never dug into this. My understanding is
          that solid
          state relays fail in the closed condition (shorted). This
          would preclude
          their use in a situation where opening the circuit is the
          preferred
          failure mode. Maybe someone with some more knowledge in this
          area can
          chime in on whether SSRs are a good idea in this scenario.<br>
          <br>
          Jason Szumlanski<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Nick Soleil
          <<a href="mailto:nsoleil@enphaseenergy.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">
            nsoleil@enphaseenergy.com</a>> wrote:<br>
          <dl>
            <dd>The one-pole relay will work for de-energizing any of
              the Enphase
              microinverters.<br>
              <br>
            </dd>
            <dd>Nick Soleil <br>
            </dd>
            <dd>Field Application Engineer<br>
            </dd>
            <dd>Enphase Energy<br>
            </dd>
            <dd>Cell: <a href="tel:%28707%29%20321-2937"
                moz-do-not-send="true">707-321-2937</a><br>
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            <dd>On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Drake
              <<a href="mailto:drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">
                drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <dd>Hi Nick,<br>
                  <br>
                </dd>
                <dd>I should mention that the inverters being AC coupled
                  are M-250s, not
                  the new IQ series. Would that make any difference?<br>
                  <br>
                </dd>
                <dd>Thanks,<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </dd>
                <dd>Drake <br>
                  <br>
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                </dd>
                <dd>At 03:12 PM 8/28/2017, Drake wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">
                    <dd>Hi Nick,<br>
                      <br>
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                    </dd>
                    <dd>At 11:20 AM 8/28/2017, you wrote:<br>
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                        <dd>You can use a one-pole relay.  We show
                          one-pole switching in
                          our zero-export, self-consumption doc for PEL
                          applications.<br>
                          <br>
                        </dd>
                        <dd>Nick Soleil <br>
                        </dd>
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                        </dd>
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                        <dd>On Aug 28, 2017, at 6:44 AM, Drake
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                            <dd>Hello Wrenches,<br>
                              <br>
                            </dd>
                            <dd>I am going to AC couple some Enphase
                              inverters and found some really
                              nice solid state, single pole relays to
                              control them with. Enphase says I
                              must use 2 pole relays for the control
                              current even though the
                              disconnects will turn off all power for
                              maintenance. <br>
                              <br>
                            </dd>
                            <dd>Enphase claims that the inverters will
                              not shut down reliably with
                              only one line opened. This does not make
                              sense to me in view of UL 1741.
                              Is Enphase correct in their claim, or are
                              there other reasons that both
                              poles need to be opened <br>
                              <br>
                            </dd>
                            <dd>I want to use the solid state relays
                              because the coil voltage is
                              between 3 and 32 volts. This would avoid
                              the need to add voltage dropping
                              series resistors to protect the coil for
                              higher battery
                              voltages.<br>
                              <br>
                            </dd>
                            <dd>Alternatively, does anyone know of
                              reasonably priced, 2 pole solid
                              state relays?<br>
                              <br>
                            </dd>
                            <dd>Thanks,<br>
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                            </dd>
                            <dd>Drake <br>
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