<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body><div><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price point is better than others we have looked at.</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Sent: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">8/7/2017 14:39</span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">To: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue</span><br><br></div>Chris,<br><br>I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to<br>integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out<br>wireless!!! To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.<br><br>On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last<br>year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20<br>billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.<br>So I feel they will be there.<br><br>The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.<br>This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This<br>becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%<br>Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as<br>I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a<br>breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short<br>(failed DC Inverter input). It works!<br><br>So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I<br>would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)<br><br>Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed<br>the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.<br><br>Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br>"we go where powerlines don't"<br>http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/<br>e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br>text 209 813 0060<br><br>> Have you tried them, are they reliable?<br>><br>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <<br>> larry@starlightsolar.com> wrote:<br>><br>>> Hi Jay and Dave,<br>>><br>>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to<br>>> the<br>>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery<br>>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh<br>>> at<br>>> 48 volts available today.<br>>><br>>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html<br>>><br>>> Larry<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.peltz@gmail.com> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery. But<br>>> until<br>>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich<br>>> clients<br>>> not a big problem for me.<br>>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long<br>>> time.<br>>><br>>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one<br>>> seems<br>>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.<br>>><br>>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start? If it<br>>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?<br>>><br>>> Jay<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <<br>>> offgridsolar@sti.net> wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Jay,<br>>> ><br>>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need<br>>> an<br>>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the<br>>> manufacturer?<br>>> ><br>>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there<br>>> and<br>>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to<br>>> > 100%.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br>>> > "we go where powerlines don't"<br>>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/<br>>> > e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br>>> > text 209 813 0060<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>>><br>>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>>><br>>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br>>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br>>><br>>> List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.<br>>> org/maillist.html<br>>><br>>> List rules & etiquette:<br>>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br>>><br>>> Check out or update participant bios:<br>>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Chris Mason<br>> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installerâ¢<br>> Solar Design Engineer<br>> Generac Generators Industrial technician<br>><br>> www.cometsolar.com <http://www.cometenergysystems.com><br>> 264.235.5670<br>> 869.662.5670<br>> Skype: netconcepts<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>><br>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br>><br>> List-Archive:<br>> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br>><br>> List rules & etiquette:<br>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br>><br>> Check out or update participant bios:<br>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br>><br>><br><br><br>Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br>"we go where powerlines don't"<br>http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/<br>e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br>text 209 813 0060<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br>http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br><br>List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br>www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br>www.members.re-wrenches.org<br><br></body></html>