<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Dave,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I looked at them a couple years ago and tried to find out who makes their cells, no luck. Compare with LiFeBlue, for $100 more retail you get a Bluetooth battery monitor in each battery that communicates with the internal BMS and a 10 year Warrantee. I would like to stress how important the Bluetooth is. If Battle Born or any other in similar battery shuts off, how will you or your customer know why this happened or what to do about it? LiFeBlue will display the fault on the System Info page of the App. (see attachment)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">LiFeBlue has dealer pricing, not sure if Battle Born does. <div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Larry Crutcher</span><br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Starlight Solar Power Systems</span><br style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""></div><div class=""><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><br class=""></span></div></div></div><img apple-inline="yes" id="D7509C4E-DF3F-456E-AF6E-368D3BF06E44" height="320" width="181" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:D71D6CC5-5388-4FD4-9F5B-3B754511AF65" class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div><div class="">On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Glenn Burt <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com" class="">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Has anyone experience with Battle Born lithium batteries? Their price point is better than others we have looked at.</div></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><hr class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">From: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net" class="">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar</a></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">8/7/2017 14:39</span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">To: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">RE-wrenches</a></span><br class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject: </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Re: [RE-wrenches] SimpliPhi Power PHI3.4 Smart -Tech Batteries and LifeBlue</span><br class=""><br class=""></div>Chris,<br class=""><br class="">I am impressed with a first look at Lifeblue. They seem much easier to<br class="">integrate that Simpliphi with their larger capacity and Soc data out<br class="">wireless!!! To me this is a huge feature for my clients and myself.<br class=""><br class="">On first look I will say I have been testing the LG RESU10 since last<br class="">year. To me they are the benchmark for a couple reasons. LG Chem is a 20<br class="">billion dollar company with (unlike Tesla) over 20 years of profitability.<br class="">So I feel they will be there.<br class=""><br class="">The second is how the BMS calculates and continuously calibrates the Soc.<br class="">This is very different to me than any battery monitor I have used. This<br class="">becomes apparent when one goes for a week or more without getting to 100%<br class="">Soc. The LG is extremely accurate. The protection on the LG is as good as<br class="">I can think of with contactor, overcurrent protection from both a<br class="">breaker/Disco and a class T fuse. I have tested them in a DC input short<br class="">(failed DC Inverter input). It works!<br class=""><br class="">So, at this time I would say the Lifeblue needs to prove itself and I<br class="">would be happy to keep an eye on all the early adapters :)<br class=""><br class="">Schneider did release the Bridge for LG Chem BTW, and Outback has delayed<br class="">the Skybox until 2018 which is being tested with LG Chem also.<br class=""><br class="">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br class="">"we go where powerlines don't"<br class=""><a href="http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/" class="">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/</a><br class="">e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br class="">text 209 813 0060<br class=""><br class="">> Have you tried them, are they reliable?<br class="">><br class="">> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Starlight Solar Power Systems <<br class="">> larry@starlightsolar.com> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">>> Hi Jay and Dave,<br class="">>><br class="">>> LiFeBlue battery has a wireless Bluetooth monitor that is connected to<br class="">>> the<br class="">>> BMS in each battery. SoC, current, cycle life, voltage, health, battery<br class="">>> faults and more is provided on the free IOS or Android App. Up to 62kWh<br class="">>> at<br class="">>> 48 volts available today.<br class="">>><br class="">>> http://www.lifebluebattery.com/the-smartest-lithium-battery/index.html<br class="">>><br class="">>> Larry<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>> On Aug 4, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Jay <jay.peltz@gmail.com> wrote:<br class="">>><br class="">>> Yes true. I haven't found the perfect off grid lithium battery. But<br class="">>> until<br class="">>> the prices come down, I become a better sales person, or I get rich<br class="">>> clients<br class="">>> not a big problem for me.<br class="">>> You will have to use external % meter, but been doing that for long<br class="">>> time.<br class="">>><br class="">>> Sure good comm would be better, however one of the questions no one<br class="">>> seems<br class="">>> to have an answer for is energy consumption for the BMS, any BMS.<br class="">>><br class="">>> On a different note, how does the LG or PW deal with dark start? If it<br class="">>> shuts down due to low voltage, how do you get it started again?<br class="">>><br class="">>> Jay<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">>> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <<br class="">>> offgridsolar@sti.net> wrote:<br class="">>> ><br class="">>> > Jay,<br class="">>> ><br class="">>> > Without battery BMS data for Soc how does one know? I assume you need<br class="">>> an<br class="">>> > external shunt and an energy monitor? Any guidance from the<br class="">>> manufacturer?<br class="">>> ><br class="">>> > One of the nice things about the LG resu 10 is the data is all there<br class="">>> and<br class="">>> > it stays very accurate even on a week with never finishing charge to<br class="">>> > 100%.<br class="">>> ><br class="">>> ><br class="">>> > Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br class="">>> > "we go where powerlines don't"<br class="">>> > http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/<br class="">>> > e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br class="">>> > text 209 813 0060<br class="">>><br class="">>> _______________________________________________<br class="">>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class="">>><br class="">>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br class="">>><br class="">>> Change listserver email address & settings:<br class="">>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br class="">>><br class="">>> List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.<br class="">>> org/maillist.html<br class="">>><br class="">>> List rules & etiquette:<br class="">>> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br class="">>><br class="">>> Check out or update participant bios:<br class="">>> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br class="">>><br class="">>><br class="">><br class="">><br class="">> --<br class="">> Chris Mason<br class="">> NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installerâ¢<br class="">> Solar Design Engineer<br class="">> Generac Generators Industrial technician<br class="">><br class="">> www.cometsolar.com <http://www.cometenergysystems.com><br class="">> 264.235.5670<br class="">> 869.662.5670<br class="">> Skype: netconcepts<br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class="">><br class="">> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br class="">><br class="">> Change listserver email address & settings:<br class="">> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br class="">><br class="">> List-Archive:<br class="">> http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br class="">><br class="">> List rules & etiquette:<br class="">> www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br class="">><br class="">> Check out or update participant bios:<br class="">> www.members.re-wrenches.org<br class="">><br class="">><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br class="">"we go where powerlines don't"<br class="">http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/<br class="">e-mail offgridsolar@sti.net<br class="">text 209 813 0060<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class=""><br class="">List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org<br class=""><br class="">Change listserver email address & settings:<br class="">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org<br class=""><br class="">List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br class=""><br class="">List rules & etiquette:<br class="">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br class=""><br class="">Check out or update participant bios:<br class="">www.members.re-wrenches.org<br class=""><br class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br class=""><br class="">List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" class="">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br class=""><br class="">Change listserver email address & settings:<br class=""><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" class="">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br class=""><br class="">List-Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html<br class=""><br class="">List rules & etiquette:<br class="">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<br class=""><br class="">Check out or update participant bios:<br class="">www.members.re-wrenches.org<br class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>