<div dir="ltr">The 14RESA unit we have has an integrated battery charger. We just need to wire a 15 A circuit from our backup panel to the terminals to keep the starter battery charged. I confirmed that the warranty is 18 months or 1000 hours of operation for offgrid use.<div><br></div><div>August</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">August Goers</span></b></p><p><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">Luminalt Energy Corporation</span></p><p><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">o: 415.641.4000</span></p><p><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">m: 415.559.1525</span></p>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Dana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This gen has a significant phantom load, & there is no way to avoid it.<br>
I have installed several & had to provide either a 10 watt PV module or a 120-12 volt battery maintainer.<br>
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</span><div><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island<br>
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I remember most having to run a small soar panel to keep the start battery from draining. I too hope that is fixed. It looked to me that the offgrid warranty is 1/2 of grid-tie. --Dave<br>
> What is the standby current draw on this unit. In the past, that has<br>
> been an issue with Kohler.<br>
><br>
> At 06:01 PM 7/10/2017, you wrote:<br>
>>All - update for those of you interested, we are starting the portal<br>
>>installation tomorrow (with a Sunny Island for better or worse) and<br>
>>ended up going with a Kohler 14RESA propane generator.<br>
>>This should be 2-wire start, ok at 100% duty cycle 120 v, and CARB<br>
>>compliant. If all goes as planned we'll be up and running next week<br>
>>and I'll keep you posted.<br>
>><br>
>><<a href="http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/products/14RESA" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.<wbr>kohlergenerators.com/home-<wbr>generators/products/14RESA</a>><wbr>http:<br>
>>//<a href="http://www.kohlergenerators.com/home-generators/products/14RESA" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.kohlergenerators.com/<wbr>home-generators/products/<wbr>14RESA</a><br>
>><br>
>>-August<br>
>><br>
>>August Goers<br>
>><br>
>>Luminalt Energy Corporation<br>
>><br>
>>o: <a href="tel:415.641.4000" value="+14156414000">415.641.4000</a><br>
>><br>
>>m: <a href="tel:415.559.1525" value="+14155591525">415.559.1525</a><br>
>><br>
>><<a href="http://www.luminalt.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.luminalt.com</a>><a href="http://www.luminalt.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www<wbr>.luminalt.com</a><br>
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>>Â<br>
>><br>
>>On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar<br>
>><<mailto:<a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net">offgridsolar@sti.<wbr>net</a>><a href="mailto:offgridsolar@sti.net">offgridsolar@sti.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>I did a few projects for Yosemite. Then I used the EU6500i which is<br>
>>now the EU7000i. Never had anyone ask. and that you will find is the issue.<br>
>> In<br>
>>my county of Mariposa they will issue a certificate of occupancy on a<br>
>>house running a generator for final approval. Pretty lax about it all.<br>
>>If I go across the county line into Tuolumne everything is hard to do.<br>
>>Geeze an offgrid generator...Use Honda or design so that you don't<br>
>>need one :)<br>
>><br>
>>Dave Angelini / Offgrid Solar<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > Hi Gary and All â€â€œ<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > We looked into the EcoGen unit, but the 6kW is discontinued and the<br>
>> 15kW<br>
>> > EcoGen is not rated to be sold in California. Bummer.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Speaking of California, do any of you know about the CARB<br>
>> > compliance issues on selecting a generator for an offgrid renewable<br>
>> > project? We had one generator rep tell us that only a Tier 4F CARB<br>
>> > generators are legal<br>
>> for<br>
>> > use<br>
>> > with offgrid in California, but I can’t ¢t<br>
>> find anything online to clarify.<br>
>> > Since this project is in the National Parks, we need to make sure<br>
>> > we don̢۪t<br>
>> > > have any compliance issues. If anyone knows anything about what<br>
>> > > kind<br>
>> of<br>
>> > CARB compliance is or isn̢۪t required, I, I̢۪d love to hear<br>
>> > about<br>
>> it.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheers!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > August<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > *From:* RE-wrenches<br>
>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<br>
>> *On<br>
>> > Behalf Of *Gary Willett<br>
>> > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2017 7:58 AM<br>
>> > *To:*<br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>>re-wrenches@<wbr>lists.re-wrench<br>
>> <a href="http://es.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">es.org</a><br>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > AUGUST:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The Generac EcoGen is dual-fuel capable (NG or LP), comes in 6kW<br>
>> > and<br>
>> 15kW<br>
>> > versions, is 2-wire start, can be field-configured for either 120V<br>
>> > or 240V.<br>
>> > It's not "portable" as it does not have wheels. It's transportable<br>
>> though<br>
>> > based on its footprint and weight. Also, it was specifically<br>
>> > designed<br>
>> and<br>
>> > warranteed for off-grid applications.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Gary Willett PE<br>
>> > Icarus Engineering LLC<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 6/16/17 9:36 AM, Kevin Pegg wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > You could use a 2 -> 3 wire converter such as the Atkinson GSCM<br>
>> > module that will take the 2 wire output from the SI and convert to<br>
>> > 3-wire to<br>
>> control a<br>
>> > gasoline generator such as the Honda EU7000 series, or Cummins/Onan<br>
>> makes<br>
>> > a<br>
>> > good line of gasoline generators. It may be very hard to find a gas<br>
>> > generator that has 2 wire native remote start. That is more common<br>
>> with<br>
>> > larger propane or diesel generators.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Kevin<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > *From:* RE-wrenches<br>
>> [mailto:<mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-<wbr>bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><wbr>re-wrenches<br>
>> -<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> <<mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>re-<wbr>wrenches-bounce<br>
>> <a href="mailto:s@lists.re-wrenches.org">s@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>]<br>
>> *On Behalf Of *August Goers<br>
>> > *Sent:* June-16-17 7:22 AM<br>
>> > *To:* RE-wrenches<br>
>> <<mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>>re-wrenches@<wbr>lists.re-wrenc<br>
>> <a href="http://hes.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">hes.org</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> <<mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>>re-wrenches@<wbr>lists.re-wrenc<br>
>> <a href="http://hes.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">hes.org</a>><br>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks for the good feedback folks!<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > We are using a Sunny Island setup because we had access to a free<br>
>> Sunny<br>
>> > Island and Sunny Boy being scrapped from another site. Otherwise I<br>
>> > was definitely planning on going with a Outback DC coupled system.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I think the trick here is trying to find a portable generator that<br>
>> > has<br>
>> a<br>
>> > two-wire start option. I̢۪m looking<br>
>> throurough the usual genny suppliers and<br>
>> > nothing has presented itself so far. Anyway,<br>
>> I’™ll keep looking and will<br>
>> > check out Chris̢۪ suggestion on the nexus<br>
>> controtroller and Generac propane<br>
>> > unit as well.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > FYI, here is a link to what the portal is<br>
>> like. Itâ€ââ„¢s going in National<br>
>> > Park<br>
>> > land by the Golden Gate Bridge so I hope we can pull it together!<br>
>> > <<a href="http://www.sharedstudios.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.sharedstudios.com/</a><wbr>><a href="http://www.sharedstudios.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.sharedstudios.com/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > August<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Luminalt<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > *From:* RE-wrenches<br>
>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<br>
>> *On<br>
>> > Behalf Of *Chris Mason<br>
>> > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2017 4:56 AM<br>
>> > *To:* RE-wrenches<br>
>> <<mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>>re-wrenches@<wbr>lists.re-wrenc<br>
>> <a href="http://hes.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">hes.org</a>><br>
>> > *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > To my limited mind, the whole 120V sunny island setup is a disaster.<br>
>> Why<br>
>> > not install a DC coupled 8KW Outback Radian and solve all your<br>
>> problems.<br>
>> > USe any 240V generator, although finding a 2 wire start gasoline<br>
>> > unit<br>
>> may<br>
>> > be hard. I would use a Nexus controller generac propane generator<br>
>> > with propane tank, all mounted on the container. I would never<br>
>> > design<br>
>> anything<br>
>> > to use gasoline, it's too dangerous.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Matthew<br>
>> Sirum <<mailto:<a href="mailto:matthewsirum@gmail.com">matthewsirum@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><a href="mailto:matthewsirum@gmail.com">matthewsirum@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Greetings August,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Great thoughts and comments from Brian! I would also suggest<br>
>> speaking<br>
>> > with the generator manufacturers' tech/engineering folks regarding<br>
>> > the 120VAC configuration and to confirm 2-wire start set up once<br>
>> > you have a brand and model or two in mind. Generator parts and<br>
>> > service availability in the region of the project may also drive<br>
>> > brand selection. If you need to maximize the inverter's battery<br>
>> > charging capabilities (depending on battery system charging<br>
>> > requirements) you may end up needing to look at generators in the<br>
>> > 7.5 kW to 8.0 kW capacity range to allow for headroom in generator output loading.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Also; I am curious how you arrived at an AC coupled design for this<br>
>> > project. I do not know any of the details or specific projects<br>
>> > goals you are working with, but I would potentially consider a DC<br>
>> > coupled system design... DC/DC charge controller(s) would keep<br>
>> > the battery system charged (and any DC loads operable) even if the<br>
>> > Sunny Island and/or Sunny Boy(s) have a failure or is taken<br>
>> > offline. If most of the AC loads are 120VAC I would consider<br>
>> > keeping the inverter AC output circuit 120VAC and install a<br>
>> > dedicated transformer solely for the 240VAC load.... Or perhaps consider a 120/240VAC inverter model.<br>
>> > Depending on the overall situation a DC coupled system could be<br>
>> > more resilient. The dedicated transformer for the 240VAC load<br>
>> > could also potentially help make the system more robust. Also; I<br>
>> > have spoken with a number of folks who have told me they wish the<br>
>> > Sunny Island had more/better features for generator integration.Â<br>
>> > I'd like to hear<br>
>> more<br>
>> > from those who have plenty of experience designing and installing<br>
>> > systems with Sunny Islands and generators to learn what the current<br>
>> > thoughts and issues are.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I hope some of these thoughts may be helpful.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > ----MATT<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Matthew Sirum<br>
>> > P.O. Box 1227<br>
>> > Greenfield, MA 01302-1227Â USA<br>
>> > phone: +1.413.773.0611<br>
>> > email: <mailto:<a href="mailto:MatthewSirum@gmail.com">MatthewSirum@gmail.com</a><wbr>><a href="mailto:MatthewSirum@gmail.com">MatthewSirum@gmail.com</a><br>
>> ><br>
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>> > [RE-wrenches] Generator choice for Sunny Island August Goers august<br>
>> > at <<a href="http://luminalt.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://luminalt.com</a>><a href="http://luminalt.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">luminalt.<wbr>com</a> Thu Jun 15 09:02:41 PDT 2017<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hi Wrenches, especially those of you who work on off-grid projects,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > We have an upcoming off-grid project where we will be powering a<br>
>> storage<br>
>> > container with electronics in it. The loads are mostly 120 volt but<br>
>> there<br>
>> > is a 240 volt heat pump that might occasionally run. We̢۪re AC<br>
>> coupling<br>
>> > > the<br>
>> > Sunny Island with a Sunny Boy PV inverter. So, weâ€â„„¢ll be<br>
>> installing a<br>
>> > Outback PSX-240 autoformer to bump the Sunny<br>
>> Islandâ€ââ„¢s output from 120 to<br>
>> > 240 volt.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > We need to select a generator for backup. We need a two-wire<br>
>> > electric start (in order to be controlled by the Sunny Island) and<br>
>> > preferably a<br>
>> generator<br>
>> > that is okay just running 120 volt loads since the Sunny Islands<br>
>> > input<br>
>> is<br>
>> > only 120 volt. Something in the 3 kVA -7 kVA range should be fine.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Does anyone have experience or ideas about what kind of two-wire<br>
>> > start generator we might select?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > August<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Luminalt<br>
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