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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Bill, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have forwarded this NREL report on the Rationale of the AC Lockable Disco to all the utility companies in our area. It was back when this came out, and every one of their engineering departments refused to acknowledge its validity or adapt it. It is worth re-addressing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chris Worcester<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Solar Wind Works<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>NABCEP Certified PV Installer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Office 530-582-4503<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cell 530-448-9692<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fax 530-582-4603<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>www.solarwindworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>chris@solarwindworks.com<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>frenergy<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] AC lock-out<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>I appreciate the input. The whole house disco could be an option.<o:p></o:p></p><p>This utility also sends out a letter as soon as I request potential customer interest and their most recent 12 month's power history. The letter states: "When analyzing the potential payback of solar power, assume that the future cost for energy from PSREC will be its wholesale cost of power, currently about $0.05 per kWh, and not the current retail rate of $0.1478 per kWh. This may affect the payback of your investment in a solar system."<o:p></o:p></p><p>Gotta love it.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Bill<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/2/2017 4:00 PM, jay wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>What got the PG&E lockout lifted was no-one knew who had the list, how it was to be implemented/locked or when how to be un locked, or who kept the keys, just to name a few. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Its all based on the faulty thinking that its stupid power ( generator ) and not smart power IEEE/UL 1741.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You might try if an inverter engineer might talk with the utility engineer. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And I’ve actually got one on my house. Its one of the first installs in northern California, and not only is the a lockable disco, its locked ON. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>jay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>peltz power<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 2, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Mac Lewis <<a href="mailto:maclewis1@gmail.com">maclewis1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here in CO, a lot of rural utilities have this requirement. Its very unnecessary as we all know. I would shoot for a directional placarding solution. Indicate where the main service is from the solar disconnect and where the solar disconnect is from the main. Worth a try, it always works here.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 2, 2017 10:46 AM, "James Jefferson Jarvis" <<a href="mailto:jj@aprsworld.com">jj@aprsworld.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Rather than trench, you could install a whole house disconnect. I doubt it would ever be opened.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Here in my part of Minnesota the utilities won't allow you to do a whole premise disconnect. The lockable solar disconnect must serve the solar only and must be located within 6' of the meter.<br><br>So I've had a few occasions where the customer has had to spend thousands of extra dollars to meet that requirement.<br><br>It's a pretty crazy (read: anti-renewables) requirement in this day and age.<br><br>-James Jarvis<br>APRS World, LLC<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>William<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 2, 2017, at 7:18 AM, frenergy <<a href="mailto:frenergy@psln.com" target="_blank">frenergy@psln.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Especially CA wrenches,<br><br> Anybody had any of their GT systems locked-out by their utility with the AC disco? I'm dealing with a utility that still insists in installing an AC disco no matter what the conditions are and in this very rural area this can mean running an extra line out to the meter/main 100+ ft from the house (distribution panel back at the house). So backhoe, labor, materials and Oops the backhoe hit a propane line. Do they actually have a box of hundreds of locks to be able to lock-out PV systems? I doubt it. Would appreciate knowing for a discussion with their engineer.<br><br>Bill<br><br>Feather River Solar Electric<br>Bill Battagin, Owner<br>4291 Nelson St.<br>Taylorsville, CA 95983<br><a href="tel:530.284.7849" target="_blank">530.284.7849</a><br>CA Lic 874049<br><a href="http://www.frenergy.net/" target="_blank">www.frenergy.net</a><br><br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=1 cellpadding=0 style='border:none;border-top:solid #D3D4DE 1.0pt'><tr><td width=55 style='width:41.25pt;border:none;padding:9.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon" target="_blank"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=46 height=29 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=470 style='width:352.5pt;border:none;padding:9.0pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#41424E'>Virus-free. <a href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link" target="_blank"><span style='color:#4453EA'>www.avast.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>