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from previous posts (below). So apparently the -40 series will work in
Off-grid mode (as long as you program the SBs separately to be in OG)
but won't do the switching of modes necessary for grid-tie backup. I
plan on a call to SMA tech support Monday morning to get to the bottom
of what exactly is lost without the RS485 comm. And to see if TLs are
still going to work as the new SIs tech sheet shows they are not
supported. why I have no idea but I intend to find out.<br><br>hope
that helps.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Jeff<br><br><blockquote type="cite"><div
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talked with Tim at SMA today, and the new Sunny Boy inverters will
provide taper charging with the Sunny Islands even though no RS 485
communication is available. The Sunny Boys need to be programmed in the
off grid mode, and the Sunny Islands will take care of the UL 1741
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frequency shift and % power produced by the Sunny Boy inverters.<span
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class="">I
just checked with SMA and they do not have an RS485 card for the -40
inverters. What this means is that you can set them up to be permanently
in off grid mode where the SB will follow the frequency shift of the
SI, ok for an off grid system. But for grid tie with backup, the SB will
not communicate with the SI and will not change the SB to off grid
mode. It will still work like other generic AC coupled systems where the
frequency shift will cause the SB inverter to drop off line, but as far
as I know no throttling back will happen.<br class=""><br class="">Brad<br
class=""></blockquote><br><br>Howie Michaelson wrote:</span><br><blockquote
cite="mid:CAHMeMs=eQ5g_9zZomAPwG9HZ5sZuEh1UtJMvu1AmL=YSiDEafw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><div dir="auto">I'm confused. Does this mean the -40 series
are not compatible with SI off grid mode? Or they don't adjust output
due to frequency shift? Or?<div dir="auto"><br><div
data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Howie<br>Howie Michaelson<br>NABCEP
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Systems Sales and Service<br>VT Solar Electric Incentive Partner<br>802-272-0004</div></div></div><div
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style="word-wrap:break-word">Jeff the bad news is yer outa luck BUT
they "had a work around" that was discussed on the list a few weeks ago.
I looked quickly but didn’t see it posted. You were going to install a
RS 485 card/ module that had the soft ware to make it work. I found this
out just as these “Newest latest n greatest inverters" were just coming
out, looked at the manual, and much to my disappointment I had to send
it back and educate my salesperson to this. Lucky for me I was able to
get the TL series. Ill keep on looking, if you don’t have any luck I do
have a contact at SMA…. at least he was there 2 weeks ago, contact me
off list. Tump<div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 25, 2017, at
12:10 PM, Jeff Clearwater <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
text="#000000"><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">All,<br><br>Can
anyone confirm for me that
the SUNNY BOY 3.0-US / 3.8-US / 5.0-US / 6.0-US / 7.0-US / 7.7-US series
<span style="font-weight:bold">is or is not</span> supported by the
Sunny Island in off-grid AC coupling mode? The technical paper on the
subject here <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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does not list them but I'm hoping it's cause that paper is dated Feb
'16.<br><br>I sure hope they are because that paper shows they
discontinued support the the SUNNY BOY 3000TL-US / 3800TL-US /
4000TL-US / 5000TL-US / 6000TL-US / 7000TL-US / 7700TL-US series!
Why!??<br><br>Hope you have good news for me!<br><br>Best,<br><br>Jeff<span
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Village Power Design</span><br style="font-family: monospace;"><span
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Renewable Energy Design & Installation</span><br>Ecovillage Design
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