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<p>I'll throw in a vote for keeping the display on the SMA inverters
with a similar level of info provided by the -22's and the -40's.
It's right there, reliable, simple though adequate info for both
monitoring and troubleshooting, it would be a great loss. Not
everybody wants to be "connected".</p>
<p> I'll try Jerry's idea of the headlight restoration
polish for the yellowing display. Also keep them out of the sun
and the clarity stays much longer. I've been experimenting with a
small piece of UVA/UVB glass secured to the front of the display
window with outdoor rated 3M 2-sided tape, I'll report back in a
decade!<br>
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<p> For the manual I guess the best option is to goto:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://files.sma.de/dl/27676/SB30-77-1SP-US-40-BA-en-11.pdf">http://files.sma.de/dl/27676/SB30-77-1SP-US-40-BA-en-11.pdf</a>
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<p>and print the user manual for these inverters and add it to the
binder in the truck. Yes, its 68 pages but could save a trip out
and many of the pages need not be printed (warnings, etc).</p>
<p>Bill</p>
<p>Feather River Solar Electric</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/2016 8:24 AM, Matt Sherald
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I would ditto your comment about customers who are not adept
at computer/network/web being left out by a decision to remove
the built-in display. Wireless and networked systems always
add a layer of complexity to the installation and
commissioning of a system. Setting this stuff up is tedious
and I'd argue that it provides limited value to the owner.<br>
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Less emphasis on WIFI connectivity and more emphasis on a
useful built-in display would be my wish for not only SMA, but
all inverter manufacturers. As an installer I greatly
appreciate having a display that conveys information helpful
to understanding the operation of the system.<br>
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<div>SMA dropped the ball by not providing a User Manual with
their 40 series. Try troubleshooting an error without the
User Manual. Having all the info in hand and on a screen in
front of you makes life in the field a lot easier. You
definitely don't want to have to call SMA - that sucks up a
lot of time.<br>
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I have a couple of customers with Xantrex SW series
inverters. These older inverters have a built-in display with
buttons that allow the installer or owner to check system
information and to program variables. I sure like visiting
these jobs and I've found that over-the-phone troubleshooting
with customers is pretty smooth. Anyway, I'd trade all the
web connectivity and wifi capability for a similar built-in
display on today's inverters.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:39 PM,
William Miller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
have not tried the Wi-Fi capabilities, so I cannot
comment on that aspect. What is relevant, however,
is the news I received from a reliable source that
the 40 series inverter will be the last residential
inverter manufactured by SMA that will have an
on-board display. As evidence of this, look in the
manual for a 40 series or even a 22 series
inverter- there is no description at all of the
display functions. Odd and disappointing. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">SMA
should have a representative on this list. It may
still be Steve Jefferson, who is a stand-up guy.
SMA, what say you about these communications and
display questions?</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Wrenches,
if you think having an on-board display is
important, voice your opinion. If the Wi-Fi is
problematic, this is not a good direction. A lot of
my clients are elderly and they are not as adept at
computer or device based operations. A display is
essential in my opinion. SMA, please don’t kill the
display.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">William
Miller</span></p>
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Lic 773985<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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RE-wrenches [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Howie Michaelson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] SB -40 Wifi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am looking for comments on the
viability of the Wi-Fi option of the new SB -40
inverters. I noticed some concern here about the
poor performance of this option and am trying to
decide whether to use it in the case of a long
distance between the inverters and the router.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
can place a repeater between the inverters and
as well as purchase the external antenna option
from SMA for the inverters, but would like to
have an idea ahead of buying and installing the
2 antennas if this is likely to work. I do have
the option of running an Ethernet cable, but it
is a long (500' +) and difficult pull. Any
comments or suggestions would be appreciated.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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Howie Michaelson<br>
NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™<br>
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