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Dan,<br>
I have never had to work with a two-wire pump, so I'm on shaky
ground here, but I refer back to what I learned years ago from
Windy. The third wire in a three-wire pump carries the starting
surge from the capacitor. A two-wire pump lacks this, and thus gets
its entire surge-under-load from the AC source. This will be
intrinsically difficult for an inverter, as compared to grid. So
Shasta's surge question below is relevant. I'd determine both
instantaneous surge and voltage drop; it may be that the combination
- of battery voltage leading to reduced AC from the Magnum, voltage
drop on the wires, and simply using the Magnum - will keep it always
problematic. <br>
<br>
Years ago, when Dankoff Solar Products was in its prime as a
distributor, Phil U did a load capacity test on various inverters of
the time, including the Magnum MS4024. It had remarkably strong
surge capacity, but did this by allowing a much greater voltage drop
- down to around 80 VAC, if I recall, on a 120 VAC inverter. <br>
<br>
You may be dealing with a structural issue, for which upgrading the
pump may be the best solution. <br>
Allan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/10/2016 11:06 AM, Shasta Daiku
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The usual wire I see running to most pumps is #10 UF
cable. A 450 foot
run might create too much voltage drop. Maybe a buck
boost transformer
would help. <br class="">
<br class="">
Drake <br class="">
<br class="">
At 12:11 PM 12/10/2016, you wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Hi Bob; I
checked the
connections for corrosion, and the wire size looks
like "the
usual" for up here in this area, it's only about 100
feet and the
usual well depth around here is 350 ft. Running
stouter wire might be an
option to consider...but that's a lot of digging. I'm
just hoping VSD
might be a quick and dirty solution.<br class="">
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Institute<br class="">
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:53 AM, RE Ellison
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wrote:<br class="">
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<dd class="">Don't know about the variable speed but
are the wires feeding the
pump large enough for the distance?<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Sounds like it might be voltage starved
because of a high resistance
/ bad connection or a long wire run and the need
for a larger wire
?<br class="">
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<dd class="">Just a thought,<br class="">
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<dd class="">On Dec 10, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Dan Fink
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<dd class="">Esteemed Wrenches;<br class="">
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<dd class="">I have a client in a very remote
mountain location who is having
trouble with his inverter starting his well
pump when battery state of
charge is below 75%. 24v system, Magnum
inverter. <br class="">
<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">It's a 2-wire pump, unknown age,
model, horsepower, or well depth. It
has always given him trouble, that's why he
upgraded to 24v, and the
situation is better, but not ideal yet. I
don't think adding a hard start
capacitor would help as there should be one
inside the pump itself,
though I suppose it could be blown.<br
class="">
<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Because of the distance and the
rough road, it would be super
expensive for a well company to come up there,
pull the old pump and set
a new, modern soft-start one.<br class="">
<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Has anyone here had any experience
with retrofitting variable speed
drive units to an unknown pump? If so, what
models have you tried and
what do you prefer?<br class="">
<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Thanks;Â <br class="">
<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Dan Fink<br class="">
</dd>
<dd class="">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy
Technology, Ecotech Institute<br class="">
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