<div dir="ltr">I'm also just now realizing that if I were to rate my wire from the tap/main panel to my 70A disconnect I would want #6awg wire and the QO breakers only go to #8. <div><br></div><div>Drake if I went from the tap right into the lugs, it would leave those lugs hot and exposed. Is that my only option though? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Adam Katzman<br>Autonomous Energies<br>PO Box 1245</div><div dir="ltr">Kingston, NY 12402<br><a href="http://www.autonomousenergies.com" target="_blank">www.autonomousenergies.com</a><br>(518) 567-1468<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org" target="_blank">drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Can you come out of the line side tap to the lugs, and connect the solar
to the breaker terminals? This way a retainer clip is not required.
<br><span class=""><br>
At 11:12 AM 11/30/2016, you wrote:<br><br>
</span><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4081381998285502744cite"><span class="">Sorry I should have elaborated
more from the beginning. <br><br></span>
 <br><br>
I am using the panel as a service disconnect for a lineside connection
(can’t use a fused/bladed disco because of space constraints).
Originally I bought a QO 70A panel, but soon realized that the Square D
retention clip (PK2MB) is only compatible with their larger panels. So I
bought a larger panel (100A 8 Circuit) and then received some feedback
that having the open spaces (even if labeled that “Do Not Add Loads†)
could raise a flag with an inspector. So then I was back on the hunt for
a dedicated 2 Pole 60A or 70A panel with a compatible retention clip for
a 30A breaker. Eaton’s retention options only start in the 60A range
(the smaller breakers don’t have the hole in them to put the bolt
through). Square D said they don’t have an option for their 70A panel.
There aren’t any good Siemans distributors near me but I wasn’t
finding an option via google for them either.<br><br>
 <br><br>
I talked with another Wrencher on the phone and received this feedback
which I’m just going to cut and paste to include it in this
thread:<br><br>
<br>
“The NEC doesn’t require a hold down clamp for the circuit breaker
unless it can be backfed from a multi-mode or stand-alone inverter
(690.10(E)).<br><br>
The language implies that a hold-down is therefore not required
elsewhere. Most modern breakers (def. QO’s) are not marked “lineâ€
and “load†so no problem there (also in same code section).<br><br>
 <br><br>
Even when it was a requirement for all PV outputs, John Wiles had argued
that taking off the panel cover, which required a tool, served as the
hold-down, and this was generally accepted.†<br><br>
 <br><br>
<font face="calibri" color="#1A1A1A">So taken that advice I’m back to
using the QO 70A panel but without a retention clip (or calling the lid
the "retention clip").<br>
</font><br>
 <br><br>
<font face="calibri" color="#1A1A1A">For what its worth I have passed
inspections prior using the retaining clip from a generator interlock kit
(QOCGK2C) on a QO 100A panel, but felt like there must be a better
option out there....<br>
</font><span class=""><br>
Adam Katzman<br>
Autonomous Energies<br>
PO Box 1245<br>
Kingston, NY 12402<br>
<a href="http://www.autonomousenergies.com" target="_blank">www.autonomousenergies.com</a>
<br>
<a href="tel:(518)%20567-1468" value="+15185671468" target="_blank">(518) 567-1468</a><br><br>
<br>
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Drake
<<a href="mailto:drake.chamberlin@redwoodalliance.org" target="_blank">
drake.chamberlin@<wbr>redwoodalliance.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd><span class="">Siemens has main breaker retainers. The retainers for QO seem work on
some boxes and not others. It doesn't work on 6 space boxes I've
purchased, but does work on the 8. <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">At 10:14 PM 11/29/2016, you wrote:<br><br>
</span><blockquote type="cite" class="m_4081381998285502744cite">
<dd>Wrenchers,<br><br>
</dd><dd>I̢۪m trying to find a 60A 2 Pole Breaker Box that hashas a
compatible retaining clip. The QO retaining clip (PK2MBCP) seems to only
be compatible with their 4-8 circuit load centers<font face="calibri">.
What are my options? Thanks!<br>
</font><div><div class="h5"><br>
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