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    I agree, 2 to 3 days works pretty well, but I double check that we
    are within the recommended minimum and max charge rates for the
    battery. <br>
    I found, as Alan mentioned, that many old school designs did not
    meet the minimum charge rates, and resulted in sulfated batteries. 
    Like wise I've come across some recent systems by the new crop of
    solar installers, that had grossly undersized batteries.   They were
    constantly being over charged, and also couldn't supply enough
    current to operate the inverter at rated power.<img
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    Aren't those cute?  100 AH just isn't enough battery for a 4 kW
    inverter, though.<br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/15/2016 9:02 AM, Dan Fink wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">My design philosophy these days matches yours 100%,
        Allen. Because of cheap PV, and FLA batteries still stuck in the
        1910s. It was a different story (not too many years ago!) when a
        good deal on PV was $5 a watt.......<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:55 PM,
            Allan Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dana (and I'm curious
                if others agree),<br>
                I used to work with 4-5 days of storage, back with
                modules were expensive and batteries were relatively
                cheap. As in recent years these two have reversed -
                modules are cheap and batteries are dear - my
                fundamental design approach has changed. I now design
                around 2-3 days of storage with a larger array, as long
                as there's a backup generator in the system. I size to
                at least 100% of the projected winter average daily
                load. <br>
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                The batteries recharge more quickly, including on partly
                cloudy days between storms. They spend more of their
                time full, thus keeping them happier and giving them as
                much or more life, even with more and deeper cycling.
                FLAs are easier to EQ, given the hotter charge rate. And
                the customer spends less.<br>
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                You used to live in SW Colorado, a similar sunny winter
                climate. Is it the same in Idaho where you live now? <br>
                Allan<br>
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                        New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
                        Founder (Retired), <span>Positive Energy, Inc.</span><br>
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