<div dir="ltr">FLAs. Sounds like a bad candidate for NiFe.<div>NiFe does give you the extra DOD down to 80%, but can the inverter handle the surge loads at such a low battery voltage? I have that issue with my 12vdc office system; I can really only go down to 50% DOD until the fridge surge kicks the magnum inverter offline at night from LVD. Fine during daytime of course.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Dan Fink</span><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">~ PV Installation Professional</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">~ Small Wind Installer</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" value="+19706724342" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">970.672.4342</a></div><br> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Dana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_1120879842129834251WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks Jay I have not used I-E batteries & This is the direct result of my Kauai charity case client online shopping.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">She was sold an undersized/over promised system: 50% of req’d PV & basically one days storage of T-105 style batteries. She has burned up 2 sets of batteries and has had several of installers try to steer her to total replacement with a variety of systems. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">She has an Outback VFX3624 dual inverter system, no problems there & <span> </span>½ the PV she needs. The equipment originally installed in a mini shed a ways from the house that could have been installed under a high covered porch on the ocean side of her house. <span> </span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Her health is an issue, she lives free in a house that was a gift [she got to build it], & there is no utility available.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">She is not able to afford me to fly there [ I just moved to ID & have started my new house here additionally] <span> </span>& I have to say she has run into a # of opportunistic installers that think she is easy pickings.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">She needs 1200 watts of additional PV & 760-900 AHR @ 24 VDC of LOW TO NO MAINTENANCE long life battery & moving the power equipment to under a covered porch.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anyone with integrity free to assist? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please contact me off line for a discussion.<span>  </span>Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black">_</span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black">_____________________________<wbr>____________________________<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Dana Orzel</span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Great Solar Works, Inc -  <span>NABCEP # 051112-136<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"><a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">dana@solarwork.com</span></a>  - <a href="http://www.solarwork.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">www.solarwork.biz</span></a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">O</span></b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> - <a href="tel:970.626.5253" value="+19706265253" target="_blank">970.626.5253</a>    <b>F</b> - <a href="tel:970.626.4140" value="+19706264140" target="_blank">970.626.4140</a>   c <b>- </b><span><a href="tel:208.721.7003" value="+12087217003" target="_blank">208.721.7003</a><b><u></u><u></u></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoNor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ns-serif"">I have a charity case client that needs 760 to 900 AHR at 24 VDC. I have installed HUP Solar One Batteries for 20+ years and do not have any experience with the Iron Edison battery. My client went to Iron Edison & was told that 360 AHR at 24 VDC would cover the same AHR as a 760 to 900 AHR in FLA.<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span> I understand you can use the IE deeper typically than a FLA.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">Math is math to me & how I have sized [successfully for years] Is there something I am missing or has my client been misinformed?<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">_</span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">_____________________________<wbr>____________________________</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Dana Orzel</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Great Solar Works, Inc - <span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span>NABCEP # 051112-136</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"><a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">dana@solarwork.com</span></a>  -<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.solarwork.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">www.solarwork.biz</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">O</span></b><span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">- <a href="tel:970.626.5253" value="+19706265253" target="_blank">970.626.5253</a>   <span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span><b>F</b><span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span>- <a href="tel:970.626.4140" value="+19706264140" target="_blank">970.626.4140</a>   c<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span><b>-<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="tel:208.721.7003" value="+12087217003" target="_blank">208.721.7003</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4f6228">"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4f6228">" <span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span></span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address:<span class="m_1120879842129834251apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple">RE-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br></span><span><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:purple">http://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