<div dir="ltr">I usually shoot for no more than 2-3 days autonomy time, no matter what type of battery bank. Every off-grid home system requires a backup generator anyway.<div><br></div><div>The only things magical in a positive way IMO about NiFe is that they don't sulfate and therefore have a long life, can be stored for long periods of time without charging, and that you can add more battery bank capacity years down the road if needed. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm very happy with mine, but there was a learning curve and reprogramming of chargers and controllers to NiFe's odd charge/discharge curve. They are very different animals than lead-acid. </div><div><br></div><div>I am also glad I used my home office as the guinea pig for NiFe (1.5 years now) before even trying to recommend them to a client....they are not for off-grid newbies (but at least the newbies wouldn't actually ruin them unless they don't keep the electrolyte level up). </div><div><br></div><div>Let those folks burn through a set of golf cart batteries or a set of L-16s, and then let's talk NiFe....after they observe and understand what's really going on with their energy usage and energy input for awhile.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Dan Fink</span><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">~ PV Installation Professional</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">~ Small Wind Installer</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" value="+19706724342" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">970.672.4342</a></div><br> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Dana <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_7967490136197506876WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I recommend 4 days backup min & 5 days backup if budget allows of storage and Iron Edison were saying that 2 days was sufficient. To clarify - I said “magical” as in wondering if there was something special, I-E did not say this.<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black">_</span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black">_____________________________<wbr>____________________________<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Dana Orzel</span><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">Great Solar Works, Inc -  <span>NABCEP # 051112-136<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"><a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">dana@solarwork.com</span></a>  - <a href="http://www.solarwork.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365d">www.solarwork.biz</span></a> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d">O</span></b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365d"> - <a href="tel:970.626.5253" value="+19706265253" target="_blank">970.626.5253</a>    <b>F</b> - <a href="tel:970.626.4140" value="+19706264140" target="_blank">970.626.4140</a>   c <b>- </b><span><a href="tel:208.721.7003" value="+12087217003" target="_blank">208.721.7003</a><b><u></u><u></u></b></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4f6228">"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4f6228">"  <u></u><u></u></span></u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Fink<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 14, 2016 12:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Watt hours FLA VS Iron Edison Batteries<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Tom; I have never seen Iron Edison saying NiFe is "magical" -- do you have a specific webpage on their site that says this?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">All batteries have advantages and disadvantages, and also myriad technical issues for the installer to overcome. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155cc">970.672.4342</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Tom Duffy <<a href="mailto:Tom@solar-biz.com" target="_blank">Tom@solar-biz.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Dana</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Two thoughts… how many days of autonomy are they quoting?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">If nickel Iron were this magical how come nobody has noticed them for the past 100 years?</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kind regards</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">Tom Duffy</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">Senior Solar Design Engineer</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><img border="0" width="242" height="96" id="m_7967490136197506876m_4153023222714223141Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D22630.AFDB8290" alt="Solar-Biz-new-logo-800X300"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">E-Mail: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a href="mailto:tom@solar-biz.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">tom@solar-biz.com</span></a></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">**Please note my new email – You will now be able to find me at: </span></i></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a href="mailto:tom@solar-biz.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563c1">tom@solar-biz.com</span></a><i> Please update your records so we don’t lose touch!**</i></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Main Number: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a href="tel:888-826-0939" target="_blank">888-826-0939</a></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Panama Office: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a href="tel:507-836-5588%20X%20122" target="_blank">507-836-5588 X 122</a></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Direct Toll Free:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"> <b><a href="tel:888-503-6772" target="_blank">888-503-6772</a></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">International: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a href="tel:575-539-2111%20X%20122" target="_blank">575-539-2111 X 122</a></span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">SKYPE Address: </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">thesolarbiz (<i>e-mail first</i>)</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"> </span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:maroon">NOTICE</span><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#006600">: <i>Due to recent budget cuts, the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil...plus the current state of the economy............the light at the end of the tunnel, has been turned off… It should have been solar.</i></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#993300">Confidentiality Notice</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:#993300">:</span><span style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT Bold","sans-serif";color:green"> This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the 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