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Dana (and I'm curious if others agree),<br>
I used to work with 4-5 days of storage, back with modules were
expensive and batteries were relatively cheap. As in recent years
these two have reversed - modules are cheap and batteries are dear -
my fundamental design approach has changed. I now design around 2-3
days of storage with a larger array, as long as there's a backup
generator in the system. I size to at least 100% of the projected
winter average daily load. <br>
<br>
The batteries recharge more quickly, including on partly cloudy days
between storms. They spend more of their time full, thus keeping
them happier and giving them as much or more life, even with more
and deeper cycling. FLAs are easier to EQ, given the hotter charge
rate. And the customer spends less.<br>
<br>
You used to live in SW Colorado, a similar sunny winter climate. Is
it the same in Idaho where you live now? <br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional<br>
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
Founder (Retired), <span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Positive
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/14/2016 3:36 PM, Dana wrote:<br>
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Edison were saying that 2 days was sufficient. To clarify -
I said “magical” as in wondering if there was something
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
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New Roman""> RE-wrenches
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dan Fink<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 14, 2016 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Watt hours FLA
VS Iron Edison Batteries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tom; I have never seen Iron Edison saying
NiFe is "magical" -- do you have a specific webpage on their
site that says this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All batteries have advantages and
disadvantages, and also myriad technical issues for the
installer to overcome. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct
Professor of Solar Energy
Technology, Ecotech Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Certified Instructor™ for: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Installation Professional<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Director, Buckville Energy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Registered Continuing Education
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href="tel:970.672.4342"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#1155CC">970.672.4342</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Tom
Duffy <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Tom@solar-biz.com" target="_blank">Tom@solar-biz.com</a>>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi
Dana</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Two
thoughts… how many days of autonomy are they
quoting?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">If
nickel Iron were this magical how come nobody has
noticed them for the past 100 years?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Kind
regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">Tom
Duffy</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">Senior
Solar Design Engineer</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><img
id="m_4153023222714223141Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:part6.DDA2E584.8826B09C@sindelarsolar.com"
alt="Solar-Biz-new-logo-800X300" height="96"
border="0" width="242"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">E-Mail:
</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tom@solar-biz.com"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">tom@solar-biz.com</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">**Please
note my new email – You will now be able to
find me at: </span></i></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tom@solar-biz.com"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">tom@solar-biz.com</span></a><i>
Please update your records so we don’t lose
touch!**</i></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Main
Number: </span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:888-826-0939"
target="_blank">888-826-0939</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Panama
Office: </span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:507-836-5588%20X%20122"
target="_blank">507-836-5588 X 122</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">Direct
Toll Free:</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">
<b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:888-503-6772" target="_blank">888-503-6772</a></b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">International:
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:575-539-2111%20X%20122"
target="_blank">575-539-2111 X 122</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:maroon">SKYPE
Address: </span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600">thesolarbiz
(<i>e-mail first</i>)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#006600"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
Bold","sans-serif";color:maroon">NOTICE</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial Rounded MT
Bold","sans-serif";color:#006600">:
<i>Due to recent budget cuts, the rising cost of
electricity, gas, and oil...plus the current
state of the economy............the light at the
end of the tunnel, has been turned off… It
should have been solar.</i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-outline-level:1"><b>From:</b>
RE-wrenches [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dana<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 14, 2016 8:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Battery Watt hours
FLA VS Iron Edison Batteries<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif"">Good
Morning All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif"">I have a
charity case client that needs 760 to 900 AHR at
24 VDC. I have installed HUP Solar One Batteries
for 20+ years and do not have any experience
with the Iron Edison battery. My client went to
Iron Edison & was told that 360 AHR at 24
VDC would cover the same AHR as a 760 to 900 AHR
in FLA. I understand you can use the IE deeper
typically than a FLA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif"">Math is
math to me & how I have sized [successfully
for years] Is there something I am missing or
has my client been misinformed? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:black">__________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Dana
Orzel </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Great
Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112-136</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:#17365D"><a
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href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365D">dana@solarwork.com</span></a>
- <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank"><span style="color:#17365D">www.solarwork.biz</span></a>
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style="font-family:"Century
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c <b>- </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:208.721.7003" target="_blank">208.721.7003</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><u><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4F6228">"Responsible
Technologies for Responsible People since
1988</span></u></b><b><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century
Gothic","sans-serif";color:#4F6228">" </span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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