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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jay:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I wouldn’t go so far as to say the GSLC is a piece of junk. It does have some flaws, however, particularly the breaker wiring. I informed Outback of the shortcomings soon after it came out but no improvements have been made.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We work around the breaker problem with a few procedures:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We remove all AC breakers. We install off-the-shelf QO panels immediately adjacent to the GSLC and install all AC breakers in two or three panels: Grid fed (if applicable), generator fed and inverter fed. We handle bypass switching with a custom interlock in the inverter fed panel. I just this weekend finished a jig for a router that will make precise slots in aluminum plate to make sliding interlocks. See photo below (hope they come through). </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The added benefit is if you want to add an AC breaker, you do not have to provide a jumper for each pole. </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We use the minimum quantity of DC Breakers in the GSLC. If we can move combiners indoors and near the charge controllers, and have 6 circuits or less, we label the PV breakers as CC input disconnects. If we have more than 6 circuits, we add a 60 or 80 amp breaker to the comb and label it as a disconnect. We drill out the screw holes in the covers so they can be removed without a tool to access the breakers.</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We clamp the dead-front in a bench vise with the studs facing up and prewire the breakers with extra wire. We can then slip the dead-front in place without having to work behind it. See photo below:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And yes, neither QO nor QOU breakers are suitable for 48 volt applications. While they are factory rated for 125VDC, they are UL rated to only 45 BDC, if my memory is correct.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am starting to believe the MNDC15 might actually be a slick choice. At first I thought the form factor was awkward, but in CADing the design, I see three FM charge controllers will fit right above it. We always use 6 or 8 inch gutters in our equipment rooms. We can come out of the gutter with one or two 3” EMT nipples into the MNDC15, and then out of the top of the MNDC15 with two 1” EMT nipples into each of three charge controllers. We can run straight out of the MNDC15 into the battery bus bars. The MNDC will hold the PV shunt as well. I can prewire the breakers with long pigtails and land them in the CCs above or the busses within. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">With external DC and AC panels, the only breakers in the GSLC are the inverter breakers. Makes for a much easier to wire installation. And it makes better sense to separate the AC and DC breakers.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If I give it a go, I will report back on my results. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks to everyone for the input.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">William</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">PS: Our last two GSLCs came with some problems: The shunt supports a long, heavy bus bar. One box had been dropped and the shock broke the plastic base of the shunt. Both units were missing the A and B bus bars and one was missing the hardware package. Outback totally dropped the ball on replacements. I did ferret out the manufacturer’s contact information and they came through with flying colors, sending me replacement parts immediately. I was told this is not an uncommon problem of late. Moral of the story: unbox your GSLCs and inventory the parts before you head to the job.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Wm</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><img width="213" height="284" style="width:2.2187in;height:2.9583in" id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image004.jpg@01D22345.FCE7F020"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><img width="215" height="287" style="width:2.2395in;height:2.9895in" id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D22345.FE8154D0"></span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><img width="64" height="28" style="width:.6666in;height:.2916in" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image006.jpg@01D22345.FE8154D0" alt="Gradient Cap_mini"><br>Lic 773985<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/"><span style="color:blue">millersolar.com</span></a><br>805-438-5600</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>jay<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 10, 2016 5:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Recombiner</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">I”ll chime in here.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes the GSLC is a piece of junk. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">However it is UL listed for the job. And while you could put together something that would work with Airpax breakers together, but it wouldn’t be UL.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What I do is to swap out all the wires to Arctic ultra flex. This allows much better movement of the wires with significantly less stress on the terminals. And if you want to not attach wires to the back of the breakers then you can and I’ve seen outback do it, install lay in lugs facing outwards so you can use a screwdriver or allen key on them. Allows for installation and removal of wire without removal of the breaker or the plate/breakers. With thimbles of course. And I can’t find them but I know they make them, shields that fit between each breaker so the lay in lugs are insulated.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">jay</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">peltz power</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">william@millersolar.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Chris:</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you for the reply. I think you misunderstand me. We always use the GSLC cabinets. I just don’t like the design concept that clutters the cabinet with AC and DC breakers that are difficult to access and block other components. See photo below of a prewired GSLC Cabinet we were asked to work in. Not a good scenario.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We have created an installation standard using the GSLC that minimizes the problems inherent with the design. We run all AC leads to adjacent load centers and we try to minimize the DC breakers in the cabinet. It is our goal to completely eliminate all breakers from the removable dead-front. I think it is pretty self-explanatory why one would not prefer to make connections in a hard to reach location.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Our goal is to constantly improve our installation procedures to create better, safer and more efficient installations. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also, I don’t need someone to instruct me on how to make a “finished” looking install. If you are familiar with my work you know it is as clean as it gets. Review my web site. Below is but one example of one of our installs.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And lastly, “suck it up” is not a very complimentary phrase. Please, let’s keep it professional.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sincerely,</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">William Miller</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="page-break-after:avoid"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><image007.jpg></span></p></div><p class="MsoCaption" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1f497d">Figure 1 Factory wired GSLC</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="page-break-after:avoid"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><image008.jpg></span></p></div><p class="MsoCaption" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1f497d">Figure 2 Miller Solar installed GSLC..</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><image009.jpg><br>Lic 773985<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/">millersolar.com</a><br>805-438-5600</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style="color:purple">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Mason<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 10, 2016 3:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style="color:purple">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Recombiner</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The GSLC gives the system a nice finished appearance that the customer will understand. Suck it up and live with the imperfect world we function in. </p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:55 PM, William Miller <<a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">william@millersolar.com</span></a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Friends:</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am looking for a PV recombiner. I need to accept the outputs from 3 remote PV Combiners, send those outputs through GFP circuit breakers, into charge controllers, back thorough breaker, into a bus bar, through a main breaker and onto a large battery bank.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am using 2 Outback Radian inverters, but I refuse to install DC breakers on their dead-front because wiring to studs facing away from the front is an inferior design. Furthermore, I see no need to run PV circuits through the GSLC cabinets.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I looked at the Midnite MNDC15 but again, these use panel mounted breakers with studs on the back.</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Anyone know of a more thoughtfully designed PV recombiner?</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks in advance,</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">William Miller</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><image003.jpg><br>Lic 773985<br><a href="http://www.millersolar.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">millersolar.com</span></a><br><a href="tel:805-438-5600" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">805-438-5600</span></a></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"><span style="color:purple">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</span></a><br><br>List-Archive:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</span></a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</span></a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.members.re-wrenches.org</span></a></p></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br clear="all"></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--</p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Chris Mason</p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888">NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#222222">Solar Design Engineer</span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#888888">Generac Generators Industrial technician</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.cometenergysystems.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.cometsolar.com</span></a></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">264.235.5670</p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">869.662.5670</p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Skype: netconcepts</p></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></body></html>