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    This thread actually brings up issues I've struggled with for years
    too.<br>
     QOs are really not good for over 50 v.  The panel mount QOUs are
    really expensive and special order.  I believe they're only good to
    125 vdc, so that not much help with higher voltage arrays.<br>
    There are much better breakers available for DC now.  The problem is
    mounting them.<br>
     Panel mount DC breakers are a PITA to wire blind, but that's how
    most enclosures like Outback's work.  This isn't just an installers
    whining either,  I have a repair call right now from a loose rear
    breaker connection from another installer.  It charred the wire for
    6" and melted the breaker.<br>
    Midnite usually saves the day on stuff like this, but their Mini and
    Quad boxes are too small for wire over #6, and I just can't
    recommend the MNDC 15, because again, its just to tight and hard to
    access the breaker rear connections. Their Mini DC box is decent,
    and mounts the post style breakers sideways for better access.  I
    use it for many more custom things.  I also use their MNPV 6
    combiner as an indoor DC load center.  I don't like the plastic
    front,  but its the right size and can mount most DIN rail
    breakers.  <br>
    I still dream of a DC box the size of the MNPV 6 or QO 6 circuit
    load center that mounted DIN rail on the front with a metal cover
    plate, and mounted the panel mount breakers on the sides.  Seems
    like a simple enough concept, but no one will build it.<br>
    I would use it for DC distribution, but primarily as WIlliam's need:
    a recombiner for in and out for several Charge controllers.<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2016 8:40 PM, Jerry Shafer
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAMUFgmWSct0exhcJKb9aKv47QdvyZdJnP9XHYEkuXXY7d3ukdQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">You might want to look at the square D QO breaker
        line some are dc rated and voltage rated and are panel mounted.<br>
        Jerry</p>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 10, 2016 3:00 PM, "jay" <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br type="attribution">
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">I”ll chime in here.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Yes the GSLC is a piece of junk.  </div>
              <div>However it is UL listed for the job. And while you
                could put together something that would work with Airpax
                breakers together, but it wouldn’t be UL.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>What I do is to swap out all the wires to Arctic
                ultra flex.  This allows much better movement of the
                wires with significantly less stress on the terminals.  
                And if you want to not attach wires to the back of the
                breakers then you can and I’ve seen outback do it,
                install lay in lugs facing outwards so you can use a
                screwdriver or allen key on them.  Allows for
                installation and removal of wire without removal of the
                breaker or the plate/breakers.  With thimbles of course.
                And I can’t find them but I know they make them, shields
                that fit between each breaker so the lay in lugs are
                insulated.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>jay</div>
              <div>peltz power</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                <div>
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                    <div>On Oct 10, 2016, at 4:40 PM, William Miller
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:william@millersolar.com"
                        target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Chris:</span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank
                            you for the reply.  I think you
                            misunderstand me.  We always use the GSLC
                            cabinets.  I just don’t like the design
                            concept that clutters the cabinet with AC
                            and DC breakers that are difficult to access
                            and block other components.  See photo below
                            of a prewired GSLC Cabinet we were asked to
                            work in.  Not a good scenario.</span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
                            have created an installation standard using
                            the GSLC that minimizes the problems
                            inherent with the design.  We run all AC
                            leads to adjacent load centers and we try to
                            minimize the DC breakers in the cabinet.  It
                            is our goal to completely eliminate all
                            breakers from the removable dead-front.  I
                            think it is pretty self-explanatory why one
                            would not prefer to make connections in a
                            hard to reach location.<span
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Our
                            goal is to constantly improve our
                            installation procedures to create better,
                            safer and more efficient installations. <span
class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also,
                            I don’t need someone to instruct me on how
                            to make a “finished” looking install. If you
                            are familiar with my work you know it is as
                            clean as it gets.  Review my web site. 
                            Below is but one example of one of our
                            installs.</span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And
                            lastly, “suck it up” is not a very
                            complimentary phrase.  Please, let’s keep it
                            professional.</span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sincerely,</span></div>
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                            style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">William
                            Miller</span></div>
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                          1 Factory wired GSLC<span
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                              style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
                              class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches
                            [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@<wbr>lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]<span
class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf
                              Of<span
                                class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris
                            Mason<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                              class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                            October 10, 2016 3:40 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
                              class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE-wrenches
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a>><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                              class="m_-1941481877735651788Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [RE-wrenches] PV Recombiner</span></div>
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                          <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                            New Roman',serif">The GSLC gives the system
                            a nice finished appearance that the customer
                            will understand. Suck it up and live with
                            the imperfect world we function in. </div>
                        </div>
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                            <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                              New Roman',serif">On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at
                              5:55 PM, William Miller <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:william@millersolar.com"
                                style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
                                target="_blank">william@millersolar.com</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Friends:</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
                                      am looking for a PV recombiner.  I
                                      need to accept the outputs from 3
                                      remote PV Combiners, send those
                                      outputs through GFP circuit
                                      breakers, into charge controllers,
                                      back thorough breaker, into a bus
                                      bar, through a main breaker and
                                      onto a large battery bank.</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
                                      am using 2 Outback Radian
                                      inverters, but I refuse to install
                                      DC breakers on their dead-front
                                      because wiring to studs facing
                                      away from the front is an inferior
                                      design.  Furthermore, I see no
                                      need to run PV circuits through
                                      the GSLC cabinets.</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
                                      looked at the Midnite MNDC15 but
                                      again, these use panel mounted
                                      breakers with studs on the back.</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Anyone
                                      know of a more thoughtfully
                                      designed PV recombiner?</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Thanks
                                      in advance,</span></div>
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                                      style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">William
                                      Miller</span></div>
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