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This thread actually brings up issues I've struggled with for years
too.<br>
QOs are really not good for over 50 v. The panel mount QOUs are
really expensive and special order. I believe they're only good to
125 vdc, so that not much help with higher voltage arrays.<br>
There are much better breakers available for DC now. The problem is
mounting them.<br>
Panel mount DC breakers are a PITA to wire blind, but that's how
most enclosures like Outback's work. This isn't just an installers
whining either, I have a repair call right now from a loose rear
breaker connection from another installer. It charred the wire for
6" and melted the breaker.<br>
Midnite usually saves the day on stuff like this, but their Mini and
Quad boxes are too small for wire over #6, and I just can't
recommend the MNDC 15, because again, its just to tight and hard to
access the breaker rear connections. Their Mini DC box is decent,
and mounts the post style breakers sideways for better access. I
use it for many more custom things. I also use their MNPV 6
combiner as an indoor DC load center. I don't like the plastic
front, but its the right size and can mount most DIN rail
breakers. <br>
I still dream of a DC box the size of the MNPV 6 or QO 6 circuit
load center that mounted DIN rail on the front with a metal cover
plate, and mounted the panel mount breakers on the sides. Seems
like a simple enough concept, but no one will build it.<br>
I would use it for DC distribution, but primarily as WIlliam's need:
a recombiner for in and out for several Charge controllers.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2016 8:40 PM, Jerry Shafer
wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">You might want to look at the square D QO breaker
line some are dc rated and voltage rated and are panel mounted.<br>
Jerry</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 10, 2016 3:00 PM, "jay" <<a
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I”ll chime in here.
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<div>Yes the GSLC is a piece of junk. </div>
<div>However it is UL listed for the job. And while you
could put together something that would work with Airpax
breakers together, but it wouldn’t be UL.</div>
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</div>
<div>What I do is to swap out all the wires to Arctic
ultra flex. This allows much better movement of the
wires with significantly less stress on the terminals.
And if you want to not attach wires to the back of the
breakers then you can and I’ve seen outback do it,
install lay in lugs facing outwards so you can use a
screwdriver or allen key on them. Allows for
installation and removal of wire without removal of the
breaker or the plate/breakers. With thimbles of course.
And I can’t find them but I know they make them, shields
that fit between each breaker so the lay in lugs are
insulated.</div>
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</div>
<div>jay</div>
<div>peltz power</div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Chris:</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank
you for the reply. I think you
misunderstand me. We always use the GSLC
cabinets. I just don’t like the design
concept that clutters the cabinet with AC
and DC breakers that are difficult to access
and block other components. See photo below
of a prewired GSLC Cabinet we were asked to
work in. Not a good scenario.</span></div>
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Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
have created an installation standard using
the GSLC that minimizes the problems
inherent with the design. We run all AC
leads to adjacent load centers and we try to
minimize the DC breakers in the cabinet. It
is our goal to completely eliminate all
breakers from the removable dead-front. I
think it is pretty self-explanatory why one
would not prefer to make connections in a
hard to reach location.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Our
goal is to constantly improve our
installation procedures to create better,
safer and more efficient installations. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
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Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also,
I don’t need someone to instruct me on how
to make a “finished” looking install. If you
are familiar with my work you know it is as
clean as it gets. Review my web site.
Below is but one example of one of our
installs.</span></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<div style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New
Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And
lastly, “suck it up” is not a very
complimentary phrase. Please, let’s keep it
professional.</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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Roman',serif"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sincerely,</span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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style="margin:0in 0in
10pt;font-size:9pt;font-family:'Times New
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1 Factory wired GSLC<span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
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style="margin:0in 0in
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2 Miller Solar installed GSLC..</p>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in
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New Roman',serif">The GSLC gives the system
a nice finished appearance that the customer
will understand. Suck it up and live with
the imperfect world we function in. </div>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
am looking for a PV recombiner. I
need to accept the outputs from 3
remote PV Combiners, send those
outputs through GFP circuit
breakers, into charge controllers,
back thorough breaker, into a bus
bar, through a main breaker and
onto a large battery bank.</span></div>
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am using 2 Outback Radian
inverters, but I refuse to install
DC breakers on their dead-front
because wiring to studs facing
away from the front is an inferior
design. Furthermore, I see no
need to run PV circuits through
the GSLC cabinets.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I
looked at the Midnite MNDC15 but
again, these use panel mounted
breakers with studs on the back.</span></div>
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know of a more thoughtfully
designed PV recombiner?</span></div>
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