<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Amen to that. It doesn't make sense to spend inordinate time agonizing over the right ratio, and consumers are skeptical anyway. Unless it's way under or over 1.0 it isn't going to make a huge difference. I did a sensitivity analysis on this when PV cost twice as much, and I found it still wasn't worth spending too much time on each site analysis. I just shoot for a ratio of 1.1 south and 1.2 east or west here where it's hot. In cooler climates 0.9 - 1.0 might make better sense, but I haven't done any cold weather work.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Jason</div><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:17 PM, cpickard <a href="http://aladdinsolar.com">aladdinsolar.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cpickard@aladdinsolar.com" target="_blank">cpickard@aladdinsolar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div><p>We find it can be very difficult (time consuming) to explain this to some customers. So we try to keep possibility of clipping to a minimum, maybe with obvious clipping occurring a few days a year. If module tilt or orientation is less than ideal, clipping is more rare and we might be more aggressive on the DC/AC ratio. This approach is not driven so much by the science but by the desire to avoid never-ending discussions with certain customer types.</p><p>--Charlie Pickard</p><p>TruNorth Solar</p><div><div class="h5"><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">On October 4, 2016 at 7:30 AM Will White <<a href="mailto:will@solarenergy.org" target="_blank">will@solarenergy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br><div dir="ltr">Mike,<div><br></div><div>Have you read the Enphase white paper on module to inverter size? It goes into good detail on why they do it.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www2.enphase.com/global/files/Enphase_White_Paper_Module_Rightsizing.pdf" target="_blank">http://www2.enphase.com/<wbr>global/files/Enphase_White_<wbr>Paper_Module_Rightsizing.pdf</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Will</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><strong style="font-size:12.8px">Will White</strong><div style="font-size:12.8px">Curriculum Developer</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1W1PI9CekboV2JFMFAtbDROZ0E&revid=0B1W1PI9Cekbod3dUdkM0YlAzTkp1cHhmTExFR1BvQUFQYy9RPQ" style="font-size:12.8px" alt=""><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">e: </span><a href="mailto:will@solarenergy.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">will@solarenergy.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">w: <a href="http://www.solarenergy.org/" target="_blank">www.solarenergy.org</a> </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">p: <a href="tel:802-272-3092" value="+18022723092" target="_blank">802-272-3092</a><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><div>PV Installation Professional</div><div># 093006-34</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-gmail_extra"><br><div class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Mike Kocsmiersky <<a href="mailto:mikek@spiritsolar.net" target="_blank">mikek@spiritsolar.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote><div><div class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-m_-8455726508046971048WordSection1"><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">Recently I’ve been concerned about power clipping of micro inverters and the design ratio of PV STC array size to inverter. If I have a 300W module going into a 250W micro inverter, there will be times when the potential power output is clipped because the micro inverter can’t handle all the power. I’m thinking cold day with 1000W/m2 irradiance. It is typical nowadays to have an STC array size to inverter ratio of 1.2. Have you seen any analysis on how much energy is clipped, vs how much energy output is increased by operating at a better efficiency spot on the micro inverter? This assumes that the micro inverter performs better when more fully loaded.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">Additionally over time the crystalline silicon module will degrade slightly as well, reducing the amount of power clipping.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">I welcome your thoughts.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">Mike Kocsmiersky<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">Principal<u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal">Phone: <a>413 883-3144</a> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:16.0pt">Spirit Solar<u></u><u></u></span></strong></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="http://www.SpiritSolar.net" target="_blank">www.SpiritSolar.net</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br> <br> List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.<wbr>org</a><br> <br> Change listserver email address & settings:<br> <a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/o<wbr>ptions.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wren<wbr>ches.org</a><br> <br> List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re<wbr>-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.or<wbr>g/maillist.html</a><br> <br> List rules & etiquette:<br> <a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.<wbr>htm</a><br> <br> Check out or update participant bios:<br> <a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br> <br> <br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_5510776445399460394ox-bcc9b941db-gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><strong style="font-size:12.8px">Will White</strong><div style="font-size:12.8px">Curriculum Developer</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1W1PI9CekboV2JFMFAtbDROZ0E&revid=0B1W1PI9Cekbod3dUdkM0YlAzTkp1cHhmTExFR1BvQUFQYy9RPQ" style="font-size:12.8px" alt=""><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">e: </span><a href="mailto:will@solarenergy.org" style="color:#1155cc;font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">will@solarenergy.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> </span><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">w: <a href="http://www.solarenergy.org/" style="color:#1155cc" target="_blank">www.solarenergy.org</a> </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">p: <a href="tel:802-272-3092" value="+18022723092" target="_blank">802-272-3092</a><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><div>PV Installation Professional</div><div># 093006-34</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.<wbr>org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/<wbr>options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-<wbr>wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/<wbr>re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.<wbr>org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.<wbr>htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br></blockquote></div></div></div>
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