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size=2 face=Arial>Peerless Premier (<A
href="http://www.premierrange.com">www.premierrange.com</A>) has offered
battery-ignition ranges now for about two years -- no AC power required.
They need an 8-pack of double A cells, and can also be match-lit if you don't
want to fool with the batteries.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Chris Daum<BR>Oasis Montana Inc.<BR>406-777-4309<BR>406-777-0830
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> RE-wrenches
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>frenergy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 19, 2016 9:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with DR1512 and
oven<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>I just installed a system for some folks that found this range with no glow
bar. The oven light and the spark ignition each take 2, 9 volt batteries
so zero outside electric power source.</P>
<P><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/">http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/</A></P>
<P>Those Canadians....</P>
<P>Bill</P><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="http://www.frenergy.net">www.frenergy.net</A>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 9/19/2016 4:43 PM, Brian Teitelbaum
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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advice from both Ray and Allan. </SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Switching
to a sine-wave inverter will solve the controller issue, but not the 300W glow
bar draining the batteries. Switching to a Peerless-Premier would solve that
problem, or use an old Wedgewood range like I do. My 6-burner/two oven gas
Wedgewood from the early 40’s works great, and will likely last for centuries,
but it does take 4 gorillas to move the damn thing. It must weigh 600 lbs,
although I’ve never weighed it.</SPAN></P>
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Solar</SPAN></P>
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RE-wrenches [mailto:<A href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</A>] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Allan Sindelar<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:26
PM<BR><B>To:</B> RE-wrenches<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with
DR1512 and oven</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Kristopher,<BR>Ray's advice is
sound, and I'll add: that 14 year old inverter is likely to last forever, and
that's not a reason to keep using it. It's almost certainly the crude waveform
that's causing the issues.<BR>If range replacement remains the only option,
talk with Peerless-Premier (<A href="http://www.premierrange.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.premierrange.com</A>). As of my last contact with
them a few years ago, they still make unadvertised models with circuit boards
that were designed for original Trace mod-square inverters and have no glow
bars for the oven. Our family home has a decent Pro series (stainless front
with sealed burners) with electric igniters and no glow bar. <BR>Allan</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>Allan Sindelar</B><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><U>allan@sindelarsolar.com</U></A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NABCEP Certified PV Installation
Professional<BR>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<BR>New Mexico
EE98J Journeyman Electrician<BR>Founder (Retired), Positive Energy,
Inc.<BR><B>505 780-2738 cell</B><BR><BR></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 9/19/2016 4:46 PM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:</P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Thanks Ray,</P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>This is a circa 2002
inverter. I may just tell them to go to a pilot light stove model
(hate to waste gas, ya know).</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ray Walters <<A
href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true"><U>ray@solarray.com</U></A>> wrote:</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Sounds like ovens have gotten more complicated over the
years. As soon as I read "control board" and modified sine wave, I
cringe. The good old DR inverters worked great, I even ran my own shop
on one for several years back in the 90s. I for the most part quit
selling them though, as even though most equipment worked on the mod sine,
we started noticing premature failures. I would attribute this to the
extra heat generated by all the extra harmonic distortion. Sorry I
can't recommend an oven; they probably would be better going to something
older form Craig's list with no AC connection at all.<BR><BR></P><PRE>R.Ray Walters</PRE><PRE>CTO, Solarray, Inc</PRE><PRE>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, </PRE><PRE>Licensed Master Electrician</PRE><PRE>Solar Design Engineer</PRE><PRE><A href="tel:303%20505-8760" target=_blank moz-do-not-send="true"><U>303 505-8760</U></A></PRE>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>I have a client that has
blown out 2 control boards on their oven in the last few months. The
appliance is a Whirlpool Model WFG515S0EW0 powered by a Xantrex
DR1512. Since this is an off-grid home, i recommended that they get
an LP stove with no oven glow bar and this was the unit that the appliance
company supplied.</P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Has anyone seen this before
(i am assuming incompatibility of the circuitry with the modified sine
wave output)?</P></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal>Can you recommend another
model that has been tried and true (preferably Whirlpool)? </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks tons,</P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Shine On!<BR><BR>Kris Schmid<BR>Legacy Solar,
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