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<p>I just installed a system for some folks that found this range
with no glow bar. The oven light and the spark ignition each take
2, 9 volt batteries so zero outside electric power source.</p>
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href="http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/">http://uniqueoffgrid.com/product/unique-elite-30-off-grid-propane-range/</a></p>
<p>Those Canadians....</p>
<p>Bill</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2016 4:43 PM, Brian Teitelbaum
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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advice from both Ray and Allan. </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Switching
to a sine-wave inverter will solve the controller issue, but
not the 300W glow bar draining the batteries. Switching to a
Peerless-Premier would solve that problem, or use an old
Wedgewood range like I do. My 6-burner/two oven gas
Wedgewood from the early 40’s works great, and will likely
last for centuries, but it does take 4 gorillas to move the
damn thing. It must weigh 600 lbs, although I’ve never
weighed it.</span></p>
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RE-wrenches [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2016 4:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Issue with DR1512 and
oven</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Kristopher,<br>
Ray's advice is sound, and I'll add: that 14 year old inverter
is likely to last forever, and that's not a reason to keep
using it. It's almost certainly the crude waveform that's
causing the issues.<br>
If range replacement remains the only option, talk with
Peerless-Premier (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.premierrange.com">www.premierrange.com</a>).
As of my last contact with them a few years ago, they still
make unadvertised models with circuit boards that were
designed for original Trace mod-square inverters and have no
glow bars for the oven. Our family home has a decent Pro
series (stainless front with sealed burners) with electric
igniters and no glow bar. <br>
Allan</p>
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Ray,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This is
a circa 2002 inverter. I may just tell them to go to a
pilot light stove model (hate to waste gas, ya know).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Ray
Walters <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank"><u>ray@solarray.com</u></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sounds like ovens have gotten more
complicated over the years. As soon as I read
"control board" and modified sine wave, I cringe. The
good old DR inverters worked great, I even ran my own
shop on one for several years back in the 90s. I for
the most part quit selling them though, as even though
most equipment worked on the mod sine, we started
noticing premature failures. I would attribute this
to the extra heat generated by all the extra harmonic
distortion. Sorry I can't recommend an oven; they
probably would be better going to something older form
Craig's list with no AC connection at all.<br>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I have a
client that has blown out 2 control
boards on their oven in the last few
months. The appliance is a Whirlpool
Model WFG515S0EW0 powered by a Xantrex
DR1512. Since this is an off-grid
home, i recommended that they get an
LP stove with no oven glow bar and
this was the unit that the appliance
company supplied.</p>
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seen this before (i am assuming
incompatibility of the circuitry with
the modified sine wave output)?</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Can you
recommend another model that has been
tried and true (preferably Whirlpool)? </p>
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Legacy Solar, LLC<br>
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