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<p><font size="+1"><tt>I do know that powder coating is essential in
protecting switchgear in or near a marine environment. We
provided pictures of dc disconnects with and without to SolarPro.
Those that did not have it, had to be replaced within one
year. The equipment was 600 yards from the ocean. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><tt>We have been only installing Enphase in this
environment when our customers are not opting for battery
systems. So far in two years no failures for four residential
systems.</tt></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><tt>Chris<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/15/2016 12:09 PM, William Dorsett
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#993366">It
makes you wonder about Enphase’s decision to drop the powder
coating on their current 215’s. 250’s I don’t know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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RE-wrenches
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>August Goers<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] micro-inverters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Here’s
a pic of an M210:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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id="Picture_x0020_0"
src="cid:part1.C41186AD.0C299A2A@entech-engineering.com"
alt="burned enphase m210.jpg" height="640" width="1137"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
guess a picture is worth a thousand words.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">August</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>frank -bz products<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 14, 2016 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] micro-inverters</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Re 190's.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Not much to learn from
dissecting a swollen 190. Most of the time the swelling is
caused by electrolytic capacitors that have failed. Some
very high current capacitors actually have brackets to bolt
them down to minimize swelling.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Frank BZP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>BZ Products INC.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>8801 Gravois Rd.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>St.Louis MO 63123 USA<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>314-644-2490<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/14/2016 1:58 PM, Benn Kilburn wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You guys should really cut one of those
swelled up ones and share the photos with us :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Benn Kilburn <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>The 190's had component issues which case them to
balloon up<br>
Jerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 14, 2016 10:11 AM,
"William Miller" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have M190s fail in beach
installations. Some have had the cases swell up
like there is a tumor inside. I haven't cut them
open to see what's inside because they need to
go back to manufacturer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Mike<br>
I also work near the ocean, its all around me
here in Hawaii, we have had the 190's fail but
not to environmental conditions and very few
issues with 215's. Do you have any pics of the
damage as l have seen very little salt issues.<br>
Jerry<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 13, 2016 9:11
PM, "Mike Nelson" <<a
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've had
so many Enphase failures it's kind of
ridiculous. We install most of our
systems near the ocean so corrosion
has played a big factor. The newer
micro inverters are holding a much
better, 215 and 250's. I have learned
over the years that SMA makes the best
product, and I mostly stick with them.
Sometimes micro inverters are
requested or really fit the
installation particulars, so I still
use them occasionally. I haven't yet
tried solar edge.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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wrenches,<br>
<br>
I'm hoping the experience of
this list can help give us a
broader perspective on the
current market performance
and as a secondary concern,
tech support (or lack
thereof), from solar
micro-inverter
manufacturers.<br>
<br>
Are others having much
trouble with
micro-inverters? We have had
repeated issues with several
different brands on our
systems in Minnesota:<br>
- 8 Enphase systems with
mostly M210 and M215, have
had to repeatedly go back to
sites to replace units. The
new replacement ones seem to
be lasting better (we sure
hope they will). Enphase is
harder to contact in recent
years, but we're happy they
at least provide a
predictable stipend. Are you
also having to replace a lot
of this brand of product?
Are the newer models holding
up better?<br>
<br>
- We gave a new inverter
busbar design concept a try
(tenKsolar) and though the
micro-inverters were
supposed to take turns and
be 'redundant,' the ones
with APS micro-inverters
needed 100% replacement and
the ones with Lead Solar
micro-inverters have a
problem where if one of them
fails it appears to send a
signal to all the rest so
the entire busbar stops
working -- in action it's
far from redundant. When we
purchased the tenKsolar Rais
Inverter Bus (RIB) the spec
sheet didn't tell us what
brand of micro-inverter they
would use as the OEM so we
couldn't research the
viability of the product or
company or warranty stipend
(or lack there-of) of the
micro-inverter OEM. We
assumed it was a tenKsolar
product and they would
provide warranty
replacements, service, and
tech support, but our
experience has been far from
that. When something goes
wrong tenK says 'it's not
our product that's failing'
because they don't actually
manufacture the
micro-inverter (it's an
OEM), the micro-inverter
company says 'it's not our
product' because tenKsolar
has it wired and used in a
very unique manner specific
to the tenKsolar product, so
both manufacturers are
backing away from any
responsibility. A 25-year
warranty on the inverter
busbar is a great concept
but if/when something goes
wrong there is no support
and no apparent warranty at
all except maybe they will
send us a new component that
needs several hours of work
to re-install, so either the
installer does the warranty
work for free or the
customer has a very
unexpected expense to get
their system back up and
running a year or two after
it was installed; we think
both scenarios are
unacceptable (from our
installer perspective :-),
do any of you have
experiences you can share
here?<br>
<br>
I'm wondering if the climate
in MN makes us an anomaly.
Based on these
micro-inverter experiences
we feel like the Rapid
Shutdown rule has forced us
to use dc optimizers on
residential applications
whether we want to or not --
is that pretty much what all
of you are doing too? <br>
<br clear="all">
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