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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, I did a little research on these crimps, and they are definitely not listed for use with anything other than class B or C stranding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So although that may be the way someone has done it all the time, that is not a defensible argument when it comes to a code violation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Buchanan-Ideal Splice Cap<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>UL listing E5238<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>UL 486C<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>UL certificate ZMVV.E5238 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This standard clearly defines Class C or B stranding as acceptable<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The UL 486C standard also describes their use only for Class B or C stranded conductors<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>NEC 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Article 110.14 Electrical Connections<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:black'>‘Connectors and terminals for conductors more finely<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:black'>stranded than Class B and Class C stranding as shown in </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:red'>Chapter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:red'>9</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:black'>, </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:red'>Table 10</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:black'>, shall be identified for the specific conductor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times-Roman","serif";color:black'>class or classes.’</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So if you are using the older style Engage cables (TC-ER 12 AWG fine stranded cables), you must source appropriate (read listed for this use) connectors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Researching appropriate methods and techniques as well as continual education makes us all better installers. Codes and materials are dynamic in nature and it is up to us to constantly be on guard for changes that affect the safety and reliability of the systems we install. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Manufacturers are not always correct! Simply because a manufacturer say to ‘do it this way’ does not mean we should ignore the NEC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I identified the same issue with a dual axis tracking manufacturer recently that supplied SO cord for flexibility and standard Square D circuit breakers/panelboards as connection points. These also were connected together in violation of the breaker/panel listing and they told me they are making a change to supply appropriate ferrules to be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Nelson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Pass through/transition box for Enphase<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I don't know what they're listed for but I know that they are very effective.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michael D Nelson<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MD Electric & Solar, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>707-684-0064 mobile<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>707-884-1862 office<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.mdelectricsolar.com">www.mdelectricsolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 10, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Glenn Burt <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>But are they listed to be used with greater stranded conductors than class B or C (7 or19)?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:swingjunkie@gmail.com">Carl Adams</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>8/10/2016 17:37</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Re: [RE-wrenches] Pass through/transition box for Enphase</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p>I second Mike Nelson's approach, simple, easily inspectable, rugged.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Carl Adams<br>SunRock Solar<br>NABCEP Certified PV Installer<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 10, 2016 12:20 PM, "Mike Nelson" <<a href="mailto:mdelectricsolar@gmail.com">mdelectricsolar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I have been using buchannon copper crimps with their plastic snap on "wire nuts" for years to splice rooftop wires (enphase or pv wire to string inverter) inside junction boxes or soladecks. Best connection you can have and I've never had one come loose or melt down.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Michael D Nelson<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MD Electric & Solar, Inc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:707-684-0064" target="_blank">707-684-0064</a> mobile<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="tel:707-884-1862" target="_blank">707-884-1862</a> office<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.mdelectricsolar.com" target="_blank">www.mdelectricsolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Ray Walters <<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think the issue has always been locating the right parts, not the installation. Everyone carries the Cobra X flex, but not the ferrules. We usually crimp lugs on and use breakers with stud terminals, so the need for ferrules is minimal. <br> I have always wondered about the terminal bussbars from Outback and Midnite though. They're ILSCO and I can't find any mention about extra flex, which usually means they are not rated for anything beyond Class B stranding.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>R.Ray Walters<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>CTO, Solarray, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Licensed Master Electrician<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Solar Design Engineer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="tel:303%20505-8760" target="_blank">303 505-8760</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 8/8/2016 9:54 PM, Jay wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thimbles are easy to install and make fine strand wire OK for use in standard connections. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Peltz power. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Aug 8, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Glenn Burt <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com" target="_blank">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Be aware that depending upon the vintage of the Engage cable, up to recently the conductors used in their cables are fine stranded and cannot be used in the terminal blocks provided with the Soladeck. <br>This has been acknowledged by Enphase with a revision to <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>[The entire original message is not included.]<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>