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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi All – </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Maverick just clarified that the SCP might not be enough to update the firmware. I was thinking of the ComBox. I’m certainly no XW expert, but I know that I updated the firmware on one system that had both a SCP and a ComBox. Sorry for possible confusion!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">August</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> August Goers [mailto:<a href="mailto:august@luminalt.com">august@luminalt.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [RE-wrenches] Conext XW+ always feeding critical loads subpanel from battery bank</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dan,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I went through what sounds like a similar situation with a XW+ recently. Ours had the Schneider charge controllers, not Outback, so I’m not sure how the two would interface in your situation. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You should be able to update firmware through the SCP, call Schneider support for help. You basically log into the SCP via a web browser and then download the firmware and update the XW. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Schneider tech support was confused internally about what charge/float settings to have us setup for a standard grid tied battery backup system. The first setting they recommended was called two-stage and long story short, it allowed the battery to drain before charging it back up again. We switched the setting to three-stage and now the batteries remain topped of and ready for an unexpected power outage.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As others have mentioned, it is the normal setup to have the protected (or critical) loads fed through the XW. However, during normal on-grid operation this is simply an AC pass-through and it shouldn’t discharge the batteries. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There are other settings you’ll need to get right as well. As William said, be prepared to talk on the phone for a while with tech support and make it really clear to them how you and the owner <i>want</i> the system to function. If it’s like most normal grid tied battery backup systems, the owner wants the batteries topped off in case of an unexpected power outage (this charging comes from the AC side when the grid is up) and then wants to feed all the PV energy to loads and back to the grid just like a normal grid tied inverter.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">August</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Luminalt </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Fink<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 18, 2016 6:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Conext XW+ always feeding critical loads subpanel from battery bank</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">It has SCP.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155cc">970.672.4342</span></a></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Maverick Brown <<a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dan</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Does it have System Control Panel (SCP)? If not, it's a must.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It's like having an Outback inverter with no Mate or a big LCD TV with no remote. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Thank you,</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick Brown</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SunFlow Systems</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Office: <a href="tel:512-919-4493" target="_blank">512-919-4493</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cell: <a href="tel:512-460-9825" target="_blank">512-460-9825</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from an iPhone. </p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Dan Fink <<a href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com" target="_blank">danbob88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks you for your help. I'm a poor off-grid guy. This should be a learning experience then....the one time I visited the system around 10:AM,, both CCs were in Bulk, and no grid blackout the night before.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Methinks I should also borrow a programming dongle from a colleague for this one....</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155cc">970.672.4342</span></a></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Maverick Brown <<a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dan</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Barring some non-factory-default settings, they are not likely running on battery power at night. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">When the grid is up, the inverter will go silent at night (asleep) [with --- three dashes on its LED display]. That's good. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">During the day, the inverter will "prevent" the battery voltage from going above its sell voltage (unless some other mode is on like Grid Support or Standby, etc.) The charge controllers will attempt to Absorb & Float, but the inverter will offload the energy by keeping the voltage at the Sell setting. I generally set Sell to the recommended Float Voltage++. I set the charge controller float to 1.0v higher and Absorb as appropriate. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There is a lot more to unpack here. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Flooded batteries will consume a good amount of power just to maintain float. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As a defense against sulphated plates forming, I program the inverter EQ button for a heavy Absorb / mild EQ and instruct the customer to press it (every other month opposite month from watering??)</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Are you getting 20-25 kWh per day in production?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">PS having the inverter always feed the critical loads panel is exactly it's intended use. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick Brown</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick Solar Enterprises, Inc.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">SunFlow Systems</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Office: <a href="tel:512-919-4493" target="_blank">512-919-4493</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cell: <a href="tel:512-460-9825" target="_blank">512-460-9825</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from an iPhone. </p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Dan Fink <<a href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com" target="_blank">danbob88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick; it's 6.0 kW of PV, 2 Midnite Classic 200s, Conext XW+ 5548, and 8 Crown Embassy VRSLA 6CEA390 for 390 amp-hours, 48v. Concerns me to be cycling those batteries every night when it's not supposed to happen as per the permit package.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal">"Notes - Battery Backup: During an outage, an automatic transfer switch in the inverter opens the grid interconnect, isolating the inverter from the utility to prevent back-feeding the local power lines. The inverter then draws from the battery bank to provide AC power to the backup sub-panel. Battery power is only used to provide power to the backup sub-panel. The Battery inverter only sells energy to the grid from the solar array when available and not from the battery bank. The battery backup inverter is UL 1741 and IEEE 1547 compliant."</p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155cc">970.672.4342</span></a></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Maverick Brown <<a href="mailto:maverick@mavericksolar.com" target="_blank">maverick@mavericksolar.com</a>> wrote:</p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dan</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Does the inverter go silent at night? (---) on the inverter display?</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There are lots of settings that can influence sell amount. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What type and size is the battery bank? </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What is the solar size?<br><br>Thank you,</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Maverick</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cell: <a href="tel:512-460-9825" target="_blank">512-460-9825</a></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from an iPhone. </p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Dan Fink <<a href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com" target="_blank">danbob88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Installer went out of business, all I have to troubleshoot with is an as-built 3-line that "may or may not be right." The charge controllers are a pair Midnite Classic 200s. Customer complained that system selling only 2/3 of what was predicted back to the utility; that appears to be because everything out of his critical loads subpanel is running off the battery bank all night, every night, grid or no, so it takes 1/3 of the day to get the batteries charged up again every day and start selling to the grid.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I have very little experience with the XW+ thus my question for the folks here. My plan for next week is to show up, make my own as-built 3-line, and recommission the inverter. Anyone else seen this sort of thing before? Hard to believe that an electrician would mis-wire or not wire the bypass, I'm thinking software setting.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Registered Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" 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