<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
      http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    <p>Chris: Thanks! More questions.</p>
    <p>Page 14: I am assuming that the Sonnen system is comprised of the
      components and functionality encompassed in the box in the upper
      right side of figure 2. And the Outback Radian is the inverter
      used for "F" - the "Storage System" inverter?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Pages 14, 15, and 29: No info on PV array sizing is provided.
      Does the Sonnen design assume that a totally separate grid-tied
      inverter system already exists or must be installed if PV charging
      is desired? <br>
    </p>
    <p>Page 15: The system is AC coupled. When in "Backup Mode" how does
      the Sonnen BMS control charging from the external grid-tied PV
      inverter system once its battery modules are fully charged and the
      house loads are low? Does the Sonnen BMS handle this situation
      without disconnecting relays or frequency-shift throttling?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Page 15: Is the nomenclature in Figure 2 for the Utility Power
      Meter "G" and the Consumption Meter "D"  reversed?</p>
    <p>Regards, Gary<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/16 7:10 PM, Chris Mason wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG6C1q=dW-EBtBn8W+xJ1VZ__LjmjXY6ZxgSRnGUAO1S2A2jEA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr"><br>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gary
            Willett <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Gary@icarussolarservices.com"
                target="_blank">Gary@icarussolarservices.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <p><br>
                </p>
                <p>Were all of the components in the cabinet factory
                  mounted and inter-connected, or was it field
                  assembled? <br>
                </p>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>It came assembled. The only hard part was the external
              production metering. I would show you a photo except I am
              not very proud of it. </div>
            <div>You have to install the batteries and auxiliary cabinet
              in place.</div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <p> </p>
                <p>How much does the finished product weigh?</p>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>About 500lbs before the batteries, we used our crane to
              lower it down the stairwell. Two people, a handcart,
              should be all you need.<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3wajbo1614f52v/2016-06-09%2014.46.39.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3wajbo1614f52v/2016-06-09%2014.46.39.jpg?dl=0</a></div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/ceodgghk1zcpih2/2016-06-09%2014.47.01.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/ceodgghk1zcpih2/2016-06-09%2014.47.01.jpg?dl=0</a></div>
            <div>You put the batteries in after you get it in place.<br>
               </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <p> Do you have any Sonnen and/or Outback URL(s) that
                  provide installation documentation and a high level
                  single line electrical block diagram of what's inside
                  the box?</p>
              </div>
            </blockquote>
            <div>The owner's manual has all that.<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/hhntxsq9kpbr9ot/Ohio%20II%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Manual%20V1.1.pdf?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/hhntxsq9kpbr9ot/Ohio%20II%20Installation%20and%20Operation%20Manual%20V1.1.pdf?dl=0</a> </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <p>Thanks! Gary<br>
                </p>
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">
                    <div>On 6/18/16 6:48 AM, Chris Mason wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div dir="ltr">Here's the internals of the one we
                        installed.
                        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0ie2tuqe7y1x9d/2016-06-15%2011.01.43.jpg?dl=0"
                            target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0ie2tuqe7y1x9d/2016-06-15%2011.01.43.jpg?dl=0</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>It's a Radian, the batteries are Sony,
                          there's a PLC in the door controlling
                          everything, and a Vera Z-Wave controller for
                          the programmable outlets.</div>
                        <div>The BMS is on the door, connected by the
                          long cable you see at the bottom. It's not
                          really long enough, which I complained about.</div>
                        <div>The transfer switch is a Generac component,
                          very reliable unit, rated at 200A.</div>
                        <div>There is a DIN rail next to the inverter
                          that holds all the internal wiring, metering,
                          external connections.</div>
                        <div>One thing I would advocate, never try to
                          make any connections with this unit powered
                          up. It is very tight in there and the risk of
                          touching a live terminal is high.</div>
                        <div>There is a 200A main breaker and a battery
                          breaker, which is software controlled for
                          powering down from the front panel. Startup
                          requires holding in a DC breaker for the
                          electronics for a few seconds then engaging
                          the main battery breaker. The instructions
                          says five seconds but I find it takes about
                          15.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at
                          9:54 PM, Gary Willett <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:Gary@icarussolarservices.com"
                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gary@icarussolarservices.com">Gary@icarussolarservices.com</a></a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                            style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                              <p>Enclosed is a photo of what appears to
                                be a test/lab Sonnen system published in
                                the 01/30/2016 edition of "Power
                                Magazine.</p>
                              <p>Can plainly see the 8kW Outback Radian
                                inverter and I assume four 12V Sonnen
                                (Sony?) 8kWh Lithium-Ion batteries.
                                Assume this is a "standard" 48V Radian
                                inverter.<br>
                              </p>
                              <p><font size="-2"><a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.powermag.com/german-battery-firm-sonnen-moves-into-u-s-home-solar-storage-market/"
                                    target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.powermag.com/german-battery-firm-sonnen-moves-into-u-s-home-solar-storage-market/">http://www.powermag.com/german-battery-firm-sonnen-moves-into-u-s-home-solar-storage-market/</a></a></font></p>
                              <p>Regards,</p>
                              <p>Gary Willett</p>
                              <p>Icarus Engineering LLC<br>
                              </p>
                              <div><img moz-do-not-send="true" alt=""
                                  height="750" width="500"><br>
                                <br>
                                On 6/17/16 2:09 PM, Chris Mason wrote:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div dir="ltr">Yes, correct on both. The
                                  generator support is there, I did not
                                  use it.</div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun
                                    17, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Carl Adams <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:swingjunkie@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:swingjunkie@gmail.com">swingjunkie@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                      style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div dir="ltr">Chris,
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Nice finish on the Sonnen
                                          install.  It looks fabulous. 
                                          My understanding is the Eco
                                          2-8 integrate the 4kW radian,
                                          and the 10-16 incorporates the
                                          8kW radian.  I assume
                                          generator support is fully
                                          supported</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:35
                                              AM, Chris Mason <span
                                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cometenergysystems@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cometenergysystems@gmail.com">cometenergysystems@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote
                                                class="gmail_quote"
                                                style="margin:0px 0px
                                                0px
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div dir="ltr">I
                                                  promised a picture of
                                                  the Sonnen
                                                  installation. As these
                                                  units are getting
                                                  close to being
                                                  appliances in the same
                                                  vein as home audio, we
                                                  wanted to have a clean
                                                  finish so we made some
                                                  mill work to complete
                                                  the top of the unit to
                                                  the ceiling and hide
                                                  the ugly conduits.
                                                  <div><a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlh0uumlgf5549g/2016-06-15%2011.00.44-1.jpg?dl=0"
                                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlh0uumlgf5549g/2016-06-15%2011.00.44-1.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/vlh0uumlgf5549g/2016-06-15%2011.00.44-1.jpg?dl=0</a></a><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div class="gmail_extra">
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                            List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>
                            <br>
                            List Address: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org"
                              target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Change listserver email address &
                            settings:<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
                            <br>
                            List-Archive: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br>
                            <br>
                            List rules & etiquette:<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Check out or update participant bios:<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"
                              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br clear="all">
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        -- <br>
                        <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
                          <div dir="ltr">Chris Mason
                            <div>
                              <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                                  style="font-size:13px">NABCEP
                                  Certified Solar PV Installer™</span></div>
                              <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                                  style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Solar
                                  Design Engineer</span></div>
                              <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                                  style="font-size:13px">Generac
                                  Generators Industrial technician</span></div>
                            </div>
                            <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                                style="font-size:13px"><br>
                              </span></div>
                            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.cometenergysystems.com"
                                target="_blank">www.cometsolar.com</a></div>
                            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:264.235.5670"
                                value="+12642355670" target="_blank">264.235.5670</a></div>
                            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:869.662.5670"
                                value="+18696625670" target="_blank">869.662.5670</a></div>
                            <div>Skype: netconcepts</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <fieldset></fieldset>
                      <br>
                      <pre>_______________________________________________
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance

List Address: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>

Change listserver email address & settings:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>

List-Archive: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a>

List rules & etiquette:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a>

Check out or update participant bios:
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a>

</pre>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <br>
              _______________________________________________<br>
              List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br>
              <br>
              List Address: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              Change listserver email address & settings:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              List-Archive: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br>
              <br>
              List rules & etiquette:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br>
              <br>
              Check out or update participant bios:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org"
                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          <br>
          <br clear="all">
          <div><br>
          </div>
          -- <br>
          <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
            <div dir="ltr">Chris Mason
              <div>
                <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                    style="font-size:13px">NABCEP Certified Solar PV
                    Installer™</span></div>
                <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                    style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Solar Design Engineer</span></div>
                <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                    style="font-size:13px">Generac Generators Industrial
                    technician</span></div>
              </div>
              <div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
                  style="font-size:13px"><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.cometenergysystems.com"
                  target="_blank">www.cometsolar.com</a></div>
              <div>264.235.5670</div>
              <div>869.662.5670</div>
              <div>Skype: netconcepts</div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
List sponsored by Redwood Alliance

List Address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>

Change listserver email address & settings:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a>

List-Archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a>

List rules & etiquette:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a>

Check out or update participant bios:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </body>
</html>