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    <p>What could be simpler?</p>
    <p>For some reason I can't help think of the Great Leap Forward in
      Chine where Mao had all the peasants gathering up all the iron
      objects and melting them down in small furnaces to help increase
      steel production. Of course none of the "steel" was any good.</p>
    <p>I guess it is because here I see a bunch of great industrial
      control equipment stuffed into a tiny box and dropped in someones
      basement. That's alot of stuff waiting to break or hang up or
      reset or something.</p>
    <p>I really have to wonder what the operating state of this piece of
      equipment will be in 3 years and if still operational, how many
      person-hours of support and maintenance will have been expended.</p>
    <p>Mark Frye<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2016 4:48 AM, Chris Mason
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      <div dir="ltr">Here's the internals of the one we installed.
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href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0ie2tuqe7y1x9d/2016-06-15%2011.01.43.jpg?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0ie2tuqe7y1x9d/2016-06-15%2011.01.43.jpg?dl=0</a><br>
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        <div>It's a Radian, the batteries are Sony, there's a PLC in the
          door controlling everything, and a Vera Z-Wave controller for
          the programmable outlets.</div>
        <div>The BMS is on the door, connected by the long cable you see
          at the bottom. It's not really long enough, which I complained
          about.</div>
        <div>The transfer switch is a Generac component, very reliable
          unit, rated at 200A.</div>
        <div>There is a DIN rail next to the inverter that holds all the
          internal wiring, metering, external connections.</div>
        <div>One thing I would advocate, never try to make any
          connections with this unit powered up. It is very tight in
          there and the risk of touching a live terminal is high.</div>
        <div>There is a 200A main breaker and a battery breaker, which
          is software controlled for powering down from the front panel.
          Startup requires holding in a DC breaker for the electronics
          for a few seconds then engaging the main battery breaker. The
          instructions says five seconds but I find it takes about 15.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Gary
          Willett <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Gary@icarussolarservices.com" target="_blank">Gary@icarussolarservices.com</a>></span>
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              <p>Enclosed is a photo of what appears to be a test/lab
                Sonnen system published in the 01/30/2016 edition of
                "Power Magazine.</p>
              <p>Can plainly see the 8kW Outback Radian inverter and I
                assume four 12V Sonnen (Sony?) 8kWh Lithium-Ion
                batteries. Assume this is a "standard" 48V Radian
                inverter.<br>
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              <p><font size="-2"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.powermag.com/german-battery-firm-sonnen-moves-into-u-s-home-solar-storage-market/"
                    target="_blank">http://www.powermag.com/german-battery-firm-sonnen-moves-into-u-s-home-solar-storage-market/</a></font></p>
              <p>Regards,</p>
              <p>Gary Willett</p>
              <p>Icarus Engineering LLC<br>
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                On 6/17/16 2:09 PM, Chris Mason wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Yes, correct on both. The generator
                  support is there, I did not use it.</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:07
                    PM, Carl Adams <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">Chris,
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                        <div>Nice finish on the Sonnen install.  It
                          looks fabulous.  My understanding is the Eco
                          2-8 integrate the 4kW radian, and the 10-16
                          incorporates the 8kW radian.  I assume
                          generator support is fully supported</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17,
                              2016 at 8:35 AM, Chris Mason <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cometenergysystems@gmail.com" target="_blank">cometenergysystems@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                <div dir="ltr">I promised a picture of
                                  the Sonnen installation. As these
                                  units are getting close to being
                                  appliances in the same vein as home
                                  audio, we wanted to have a clean
                                  finish so we made some mill work to
                                  complete the top of the unit to the
                                  ceiling and hide the ugly conduits.
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