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    <p>Aaron, lead acid batteries will "self discharge".  Letting them
      sit for more than</p>
    <p>a couple of weeks may not be that good for them as they can
      sulfate without a good absorb</p>
    <p>charge cycle every once in a while at least for a couple of
      hours.</p>
    <p>The inverter and charge controller will always draw some power
      from the batteries just being</p>
    <p>connected.  This is due mainly to the internal auxiliary supplies
      and microprocessors.  If the main battery</p>
    <p>breakers were turned off when the customer left for the winter,
      the batteries will still discharge</p>
    <p>themselves and start to sulfate but the voltage dropping would
      not happen quite as fast.</p>
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    <p>You might want to add a small backup generator and tilt the PV
      array more vertical to help</p>
    <p>shed the snow during the winter months if nobody is around to
      take care of the system.</p>
    boB
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/31/2016 10:43 AM, Aaron Mandelkorn
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      <p dir="ltr">Thank you everyone for your input. I am quite sure
        this controller was just doing what it was supposed to do. The
        inverter disconnected from low voltage and the solar modules
        were covered with snow for months. The classic was trying to
        reconnect all this time and I believe acted as a load on the
        batteries. Essentially the classic brought the system down but
        poor design and actions by the customer are what led to this
        disaster. I will be pulling the batteries and changing/ load
        testing at the shop. Hopefully we didn't destroy this battery
        bank.  </p>
      <p dir="ltr">Aaron Mandelkorn<br>
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                Aaron,
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A
                customer of mine had a very similar situation happen
                couple years ago, except with the added fun of frozen
                batteries, split open and a resulting mess. (system was
                installed by others without a proper battery box / spill
                containment).
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This
                fault was traced back to a failed MX60 controller that
                was not only preventing solar input, but had a small
                parasitic load on the system that was enough to
                discharge the batteries. Replaced controller, new
                batteries (with spill containment!) and the system has
                been fine since.
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                lang="EN-US"> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a
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                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Mandelkorn<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> May-30-16 9:35 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Fried Classic150?</span></p>
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            <p>The more I think about this the stranger it seems. All
              system breakers were left on before leaving for the
              winter. Inverter was also on to power two small AC fans.
              How can a 48 volt battery bank get so discharged to the
              point of almost complete depletion (13.7 volts). The
              inverter low battery cutout was programmed to 48.1v and
              there are no DC loads.  Isn't the point of lbco to protect
              against this exact situation? What could have brought this
              bank down so low? I am wondering if my client may have
              reset the lbco and other settings by throwing the inverter
              breaker by accident. </p>
            <p>Aaron Mandelkorn<br>
              Owner/Solar Specialist<br>
              Renewable Energy Outfitters<br>
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                  href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com" target="_blank">danbob88@gmail.com</a>>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">MPPT does need a minimum battery
                    voltage to wake up and start charging, at least 9
                    volts -- I once arrived at a remote site on a sunny
                    day, the PV input breaker had tripped, batteries
                    were under 9v, no charging despite the sunny weather
                    until I woke the MPPT up with jumper cables from my
                    truck battery. </p>
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                                            Professor of Solar Energy
                                            Technology, Ecotech
                                            Institute</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 5:59
                      PM, Aaron Mandelkorn <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:reosolar@gmail.com" target="_blank">reosolar@gmail.com</a>>
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                      <p>Hi all. I returned to a off grid site today
                        after having no winter access. It appears as
                        though the classic 150 charge controller has
                        failed. The batteries are completely discharged.
                        The classics screen will flash occasionally as
                        well as a yellow light on this left front of the
                        controller but wont turn on. Does the classic
                        have a minimum voltage requirement needed to
                        turn on? Has anyone else experienced this?  I
                        can't figure out what happened to cause this
                        issue.
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                      <p>Thanks </p>
                      <p><span style="color:#888888">Aaron Mandelkorn<br>
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