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<p>Larry, <br>
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<p> When you say "customers ruin the batteries" are they
sulphating to death or electrolyte getting too low or? And your
sure its due to the lack of...cycling? watering? proper charging?
during the prolonged periods or just poor care overall.</p>
<p>Thanks for a bit more insight.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.frenergy.net">www.frenergy.net</a></pre>
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Seasonal use is a very frequent application that we design for in
Mexico and Canada. Usually the seasonal residence sets for 6
months or longer. We have tried several methods of preserving
flooded battery life including water-miser caps, short absorb
times, no absorb time, 2 stage charge with the CV below gassing
point and battery additives. Even so, more than half of our
Mexico customers ruin batteries in 3-5 years due to prolonged
periods without maintenance. The northern customers fair much
better.
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<div class="">AGM’s perform much better than flooded but Lithium
batteries are the best for long term non-use. You can simply
discharge the battery to 50% then turn off the battery and walk
away. When you return in 6-7 months, you will find it at the
same SoC as when you left. For long term seasonal storage, that
is all I recommend anymore.
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class="">I have yet to see any FLA battery that
can go 4-5 months without service. Typically a FLA
needs an increased voltage to attain the same full
charge rating at low temps, but you still require
watering. I have clients with shut down houses and
no load situations, we back off the Absorb set
point voltage, & time at full & they still
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batteries? I have clients with AGMS that are
partial year residents & their AGMS are at
8-10 years and still doing the job. That said some
clients even full time occupants cannot water
& test the SG on a FLA to save their life (or
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class=""> RE-wrenches [<a
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Starlight Solar
Power Systems<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Saturday, April 30, 2016
1:28 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> RE-wrenches<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
Winter Battery Maintenance<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">I agree with Todd and Bob,
leave the PV solar on, EQ off. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">I also instruct my customers
to reduce the absorb timer to 0.1 hours. Since the
battery is staying full, there is no need to spend
time above cell gassing point which will increase
water loss.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">On Apr 30, 2016, at 10:28
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<div class="MsoNormal">Everything mentioned
so far works well however, if you're using
a charge controller with an auto equalize
function.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">Turn it off!<o:p
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<div class="MsoNormal">I had a friend who
has left his system over the winter for
years with no issues and he shut his
inverters off one year got back to the
batteries being boiled dry<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">After a lot of
looking I figured out that it had gone
into auto equalize and since the available
sunshine per day was so low that it just
kept trying all winter long to equalize
the batteries<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">There was a battery
replacement in his future relatively
quickly!<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">It was an expensive
lesson and I have since gone to all of the
systems similar to that that I have
installed over the years and shut off the
auto equalize<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">It's not an issue if
somebody's around but they were gone for
like five months and it was not a good
outcome<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal">This particular
system had three charge controllers,<o:p
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<div class="MsoNormal">A combination of MX
60 and FM 60s I believe<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">i built a system for a
friend's seasonal (summer) off-grid
residence in alaska. </span><span
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class="">leave the pv input & cc
output breakers "on" and the load
breakers (inverter, dc sunfrost etc)
"off". </span><span
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class="">there was never a problem
with winter freezing (even at -40f)
until one year when he accidently
left the inverter's breaker on. even
with no load, the inverter's idle
current drained the batteries and
they froze. he only made that
mistake once.</span><span
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class="">On Saturday, April 30, 2016
8:13am, "Solar" <<a
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class="">> I do systems like
this every year. (-45F winter
temps). Use quick connects and<br
class="">
> train the customer on the
batteries and their maintenance.
Find bats with freeze<br class="">
> points that match your area.
I typically mount the modules at
90degree so snow<br class="">
> never covers the
array/module.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> I always recommend removal.
I've thought about temp controlled
incandescent lamp<br class="">
> with a timer in a battery box
for really cold nights.... Haven't
got around to<br class="">
> working through that design.<br
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> <br class="">
> I'm interested in the real
seasoned off-grid installers
thoughts about this.<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Jesse Dahl<br class="">
> <br class="">
> NABCEP PV Installation
Professional<br class="">
> IBEW Local 292 - Electrician<br
class="">
> Electrical/Solar PV
Instructor - HCC<br class="">
> <br class="">
> Sent from my iPhone<br
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> <br class="">
> > On Apr 30, 2016, at 9:07
AM, AE Solar <<a
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href="mailto:autonomousenergies@gmail.com"
class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:autonomousenergies@gmail.com">autonomousenergies@gmail.com</a></a>><br
class="">
> wrote:<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > Hey Wrenchers,<br
class="">
> ><br class="">
> > A friend wants a very
small battery set up at hunting
cabin (like under 1kW).<br
class="">
> It will only be used in the
warmer months. I'm wondering what
you all recommend<br class="">
> for the batteries over the
winter. I assume the ideal
situation would be that they<br
class="">
> would be disconnected and
brought somewhere warm for the
winter (the cabin will be<br
class="">
> subject to below freezing
temps)??<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > So long as they go into
the colder months with a full
charge is it alright to<br
class="">
> leave them hooked up? I don't
think the friend will be savvy
enough to<br class="">
> disconnect/connect them every
year and I don't feel like having
to go out there<br class="">
> every season for them.<br
class="">
> ><br class="">
> > Thanks for any thoughts.<br
class="">
> > Adam<br class="">
> ><br class="">
> > Adam Katzman<br class="">
> > Autonomous Energies<br
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> ><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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