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    I haven't seen anything from them that looks like what we're after 
    We'd be looking for 10kW to 15 kW  water cooled 1800 rpm. Propane
    fired.<br>
    Everyone makes models in the 30kW + range that fit the bill, but
    most off grid systems don't need anything that big.<br>
    Do you have a model that I should be looking at?<br>
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    Thanks,<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/2016 5:00 PM, jerrysgarage01
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>Have you looked at Cummins,  we have have great luck and no
        programming issues but battery charging needs to be added foroff
        grid</div>
      <div>Jerry</div>
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      <div>From: Ray Walters <ray@solarray.com> </ray@solarray.com></div>
      <div>Date:04/28/2016 7:28 AM (GMT-10:00) </div>
      <div>To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> </re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org></div>
      <div>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid generator update? </div>
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      FYI,  generally we haven't had cold start issues with propane
      units, as long as the pipe is sized properly ( as mentioned in
      another recent post) and the starter battery is kept fully
      charged.<br>
      This is based on about 20 years experience in the Rockies with
      temps below 0, but not 40 below.  We don't use block heaters, carb
      heaters, etc.<br>
      We currently have been using Generac Ecogen, but not that happy
      with them. Cheap air cooled motor, way too many computer gizmos,
      no on board charging (must have AC power or PV to charge the
      starting battery)  We even had to call customer service to get an
      authorization code to set up remote start.  This is off grid with
      no internet or cell service; ridiculous.  I hope Generac reps are
      lurking here, because these are really not much better than the
      crop of stand by generators.<br>
       IMO  no off grid generator should have a phantom load, or require
      cell service to commission.  What happened to the old water cooled
      Kohlers?<br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/2016 11:17 AM, Jeremy
        Rodriguez wrote:<br>
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        <div>Check out Gillette generators. Made in Indiana </div>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature">12.5 kW w Subaru <br>
          <br>
          Jeremy Rodriguez 
          <div>Solar Installation And Design Expert <br>
            <div>All Solar, Inc.
              <div>1463 M St<br>
                <div>Penrose Colorado 81240</div>
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                <div>Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and
                  shorthand!</div>
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          On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Lena Wilensky <<a
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            <div dir="ltr">I did some searches on the list for what
              folks are doing for off-grid propane generators these
              days, but all the threads I found were from 5-6 yrs ago,
              so I was hoping to get some more current info.
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              <div>We're looking for about a 10kw+ propane unit (big
                derate at altitude), and we run into 2 main problem
                areas:</div>
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              <div>First is the warranty - either there are no units
                warranteed for off-grid use, or there are only a couple
                of models and the warranty is short (1 year).</div>
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              <div>Second, and perhaps larger, is all the loads that now
                come with the "off-grid" units.  The computer takes
                some, but mostly the "cold weather kit" aka carb heater
                must be installed in our climate (to actually start, but
                also for warrantee), and it's set up to be on a
                thermostat (read: "on all the time from Nov-April" here
                in the mountains).  According to the Kohler tech support
                it takes a steady 50W. We have set up older units to do
                battery charge only during the day, and have the carb
                heater on a manual switch, but it sounds like we can't
                really get at these circuits anymore since they're all
                pre-configured and pre-wired in the guts of the genset
                computer.</div>
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              <div>The Kohler and Onan support folks said both these
                issues are due to EPA considering off-grid use as prime
                power as opposed to standby, so they are held to tougher
                emissions standards.</div>
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              <div>Whatever the reasons, we're wondering what people are
                actually doing these days - still the standby units they
                kind-of warrantee for off-grid? 12RES from Kohler and
                the 13kw unit from Onan?  Generac?  Have folks been
                going back to the smaller gas units from Honda and
                running them more?  And how are cold climate folks
                dealing with the heating issue?</div>
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              <div>Any suggestions appreciated!</div>
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