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    Also look at the notes to the tables in Chapter 9.  For conduit
    fill, all wires are counted.  310.15 covers ampacity derating for
    more than 3 current carrying conductors in the raceway. The key is
    "current carrying conductors".  The neutral definitely carries
    current.  You don't have to count grounding conductors, control, or
    signal wiring for that ampacity derating, because they don't create
    heat.  But they still count for conduit fill, though.<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/21/2016 11:35 AM, Patrick A.
      Shortell wrote:<br>
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      <div>You should find your answers in 310.15<br>
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        Patrick A. Shortell
        <div>Licensed Master Electrician</div>
        <div>Certified Solar Installer</div>
        <div>71 Oregon Street</div>
        <div>Long Beach N.Y. 11561</div>
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        On Apr 21, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Peter Parrish <<a
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
                am working with a customer who is doing a complete
                remodel and addition to his house: stripped to the open
                studs and floor joists, and rafters. Not a wire in the
                house. We have designed a 14.4 kWp PV system with 16 kW
                of storage for backup and load shifting. The main panel,
                inverters, critical load subpanel and batteries are all
                going to be in the garage which is about 45 feet from
                the house. The customer and I have identified the
                critical loads.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
                GC is running conduit from the main house to the garage.
                I have been given seven (7) 1-1/2” PVC conduits, and I
                am currently doing conduit fill, ampacity and voltage
                drop calculations for the branch circuits that represent
                the critical loads.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
                I have two questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should
                I stick to a <1% voltage drop on all circuits?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Do
                120 V neutrals count as current carrying conductors? I
                think they do, but the electrician stated quite
                emphatically that  they didn’t. I thought that the
                derating calcs for CCCs were based solely on ohmic
                losses and phasing was not taken into account.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Does
                the NEC provide guidance on this latter situation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  T. Parrish, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">President,
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