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Also worth looking at Magnum's new AC diversion load system. It
does the frequency shifting but also 4 kw dump load that can be set
up to any AC electric load.<br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
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Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/4/2016 6:45 PM, jay wrote:<br>
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<div class="">The only reason to frequency shift is for “softer”
charging.</div>
<div class="">VRLA are not as sensitive to the pulse type charging
that a relay type charging would do. </div>
<div class="">And regardless if you have frequency shift or not,
you will still need ( especially with VRLA) a high voltage
relay.</div>
<div class="">I recommend a SS relay, but a regular mechanical
contactor will do as well.</div>
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first: Will a ~2010 Fronius IG-4000 respond properly to
the frequency shift regulation supplied by a new
Schneider XW+5548 or XW+6848?</span><br
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display: inline !important;" class="">Situation: I
haven't seen the Colorado site; I'm working as a
consultant to produce an upgrade component list and will
later serve as a resource during local installation of
the upgrade equipment. Customer has hired me to turn a
hodgepodge system into a GTBB system. The system has two
key parts: an existing SW5548 with batteries, never
properly installed (only AC1 in was ever connected to a
main load center!) with 3.1 kW of tracker-mounted PV
through an Outback FM60; and a roof-mounted 4kW array
feeding the grid panel via the IG-4000. As currently
installed, nothing will operate as wired during a grid
outage, and a 240V AC well pump isn't supported.</span><br
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to replace the SW5548 with an XW+5548 or 6848 with
Midnite E-Panel; replace batteries with Surrette FLAs;
keep existing arrays unchanged; use existing FM60 for
smaller tracked array; use existing Fronius IG-4000 but
AC couple it to the output of the XW. The customer
understands that sell amperage is limited by the
inverter (to 20A @ 240V for the 5548, or 4,800W, or 27A
@ 240V for the 6848, or 6,480W) when the grid is up, but
the full array can charge the battery bank when the grid
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support assures me that the XW+ is good in this
application, but I need to get an OK from Fronius about
frequency-shift compatibility. Fronius tech support
tells me that it may or may not work: the 0.4 hz shift
is within the the normal frequency tolerance for this
model. While the tolerance window may be tightened up in
the field, such tightening may cause nuisance tripping,
especially with reactive loads like a well pump or A/C.
The tech suggested that we first test the
frequency-shift approach, and add a DC-coil contactor
between the output of the Fronius and the XW+ if it
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coupled these two units? Did it work? Any unexpected
problems? Did you add a voltage-controlled contactor?
What should I advise my client?</span><br
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