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    Hi Dan;<br>
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    Yep, GFCIs an be a pain, but I really haven't had trouble in several
    years. This is for a stand alone PV powered ATM machine, so it sees
    a lot of public interaction.  I wasn't keen on not having GFCI
    protection.  I was actually going to ask the list's opinion on this:
    to GFCI or not to GFCI, that is the question. <br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/28/2016 5:21 PM, Dan Fink wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Ray; 
        <div>I've even had problems with Magnums and Outbacks not
          working with certain GFCI outlets.I usually just avoid
          installing GFCIs in tiny, remote off-grid systems designed for
          a specialty application with no electrical inspector involved
          or required. GFCIs cause all kinds of mischief with equipment
          and are a phantom load. I put them in the same league as
          hard-wired 120VAC smoke detectors off the grid.</div>
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        <div>Exeltech inverters are certainly the most quiet RFI-wise,
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        <div>With William's application, I'd avoid the inverter entirely
          and go DC, then you have no GFCI or AC codes. If the sat link
          DC input specs allow 36VDC input, you have many off-the shelf
          options available for a boost/buck power supply from 24VDC.
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> What about building a
              30 vdc system (5 x 6v batteries in series)  and adjust the
              settings on a Midnite Classic to work with that?  How
              tight does the 30 vdc output need to be?<br>
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              On inverters, I've had  trouble with the Suresine,
              basically not working with GFCI outlets.<br>
              I keep trying different models of GFCIs, but they keep
              randomly tripping on 2 different systems. <br>
              Morningstar's list of "approved" GFCIs doesn't list any
              currently manufactured models, while calls to their tech
              support yields "Oh, that shouldn't be a problem, it should
              work with all GFCIs..."<br>
              Way too many free trips out trying to fix this, so I may
              have to abandon GFCI protection, or replace the
              inverters.  <br>
              My suggestion for that small load: Exeltech 125.  Better
              than grid waveform, and I recently pulled one out of
              corroded outdoor enclosure almost 15 years old: it looked
              terrible, but was still working fine.  It would also be
              lower cost and fit in a smaller enclosure.<br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
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Solar Design Engineer
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                      <div>30VDC is kind of odd, but 36VDC is common.
                        The folks at Solar Converters might be able to
                        fix you up with a custom one, or perhaps 36V is
                        within the sat unit's input range.</div>
                      <div>As for the inverter, I've never gone wrong
                        with the Morningstar SureSine. Slick little
                        unit.<br>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
                                      am designing a satellite data
                                      interface for a large off-grid
                                      system for a state highway
                                      department facility.  We will be
                                      using the Outback Optics data
                                      capabilities along with equipment
                                      manufactured by Control by Web.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I’d

                                      like to run the satellite system
                                      on a battery power source so I can
                                      hope to use it when we need it
                                      most, when the power is down.  We
                                      have a separate 24 volt battery
                                      bank remaining from a previous
                                      generator control system.  The
                                      satellite system operates on 30
                                      VDC at 2 amps.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">My

                                      first choice is to find a DC to DC
                                      converter from nominal 24 volts. 
                                      Do any of you know of one that you
                                      could recommend?</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">My

                                      second choice is to use a small
                                      inverter.  Can anyone suggest one
                                      at this small wattage?  I don’t
                                      know how good the power supply is
                                      at rejecting waveform distortion
                                      so I presume an inverter needs to
                                      be somewhat close to a sine wave.<br>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks

                                      in advance.</span></p>
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