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    <font size="+1"><tt>All the information I received to my post has
        been very helpful. Products are being constantly changed, and I
        wanted to make sure previous edition products are not reflective
        of today's products, if today's products have solved legacy
        problems. I've talked to the manufacturer and they have improved
        past designs.  It's difficult for me, as this product could
        solve a design problem, but I want to make sure that it does
        work as described in today's literature. No one wants to go back
        to fix a system because of a manufacturer problem. Thanks to
        everyone. Chris<br>
        <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/16/2016 2:17 PM, Daniel Tittmann
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAKfSoE_eXv41rqvgznfPwPP9yEd0=eXmtwV9UCG0J4u2q5ScWg@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">I have been contacted by the inverter sales rep
        that provided this product to us and he has asked that I clarify
        the situation.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>first off the HiQ inverter system used was test equipment
          from the manufacturers so it may not represent their current
          product line.<br>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>This project is located in Redway ca where we get an
            average of 58 Inches of rain a year.  (predominately in
            large storms with high volumes of rain) </div>
          <div>The inverters were installed using S-5! brackets on
            standing seam metal roof so the balancers were not oriented
            vertically.  (company rep was on site for installation and
            had no issues with the orientation.) </div>
          <div>This was a small system of 12 modules and we used 3
            balencers.  If I remember correctly the balencers have space
            for 4 modules so the final opening was sealed by method
            recommended by manufacturer.</div>
          <div>We had repeat failure of a single balencer (in the same
            location) due to water damage on the inside of the
            equipment.</div>
          <div>It was suggested that the cause of this water was due to
            a pore seal on one of the MC4 connections that allowed water
            to "wick" through the connection and into the inverter.  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Here is where the manufacturer rep and I part ways.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Upon replacing the inverter a second time we checked
            connections and MC4 seals and found nothing indicating water
            or corrosion due to water damage and thus we did not replace
            them. This is what the manufacture is stating caused the
            inverter to fail the third time and perhaps it was.  At the
            end of the day we ended up replacing the HIQ system with a
            string inverter and have had no issues with the system.  (we
            did check the MC4 seals and connections again and found no
            corrosion or water.)  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Perhaps it was a connection issue and we just haven't
            found the proper connection causing the problem, and over
            time it will show it self.  </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I did not mean to disrespect the company and the product
            line, it was simply my intention to share my experience with
            the product that we had with others in my field so that they
            might avoid similar headaches for other installers.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I hear that they no longer use balencers and are just a
            string inverter manufacturer at this point.  So perhaps the
            whole experience was of value  and the issue that we
            experienced was solved.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>there are obviously many other locations out there that
            have functioning inverters from HiQ without this problem. 
            The fact that the same balancer failed 3 times is suspicious
            and does point to some sort of environmental / installation
            reason.   </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>just wanted to outline the full story as I was not trying
            to sling mud, just trying to share our experience.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>cheers-</div>
          <div>Daniel</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">Daniel Tittmann 
              <div>CTO</div>
              <div>Greenwired</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.greenwired.com" target="_blank">www.greenwired.com</a></div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:daniel@greenwired.com" target="_blank">daniel@greenwired.com</a></div>
              <div>707-923-2001 (office)</div>
              <div>707-206-5088 (Cell)</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Daniel
          Tittmann <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:daniel@greenwired.com" target="_blank">daniel@greenwired.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">We were a test site for HiQ inverters at our
              warehouse in Redway ca.  long way from the ocean, but
              plenty of rain.  We had to replace the "Balancers" three
              times due to water damage before we switched to a string
              inverter.  even at free HiQ wasn't worth the hassle.  
              <div>Maybe they have fixed the issues but I would not put
                them in any sort of challenging env.</div>
              <div>Daniel</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Daniel Tittmann 
                        <div>CTO</div>
                        <div>Greenwired</div>
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                            href="http://www.greenwired.com"
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                            target="_blank">707-923-2001</a> (office)</div>
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                            href="tel:707-206-5088" value="+17072065088"
                            target="_blank">707-206-5088</a> (Cell)</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 1:19
                    PM, Patrick Shortell <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:pshortell6@gmail.com"
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                    wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Hi Jay,<br>
                              </div>
                              I did cut open one of the inverters.<br>
                            </div>
                            The electronics are potted but I noticed
                            that there were studs that appeared riveted
                            to the external casing which appeared to be
                            aluminum. It appeared that the saltwater had
                            entered along this stud and eventually made
                            its way to the circuit board. I assume that
                            the stud performed a grounding function
                            since that model inverter is externally
                            grounded.<br>
                          </div>
                          I could see the green evidence where the stud
                          entered the potting that salt water had indeed
                          passed through the potting and encountered
                          some copper. I think Enphase has gone with a
                          ground wire in the cabling nowadays. Maybe a
                          new design has eliminated that route to the
                          board.<br>
                        </div>
                        Pat<br>
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 11,
                              2016 at 12:58 PM, jay <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com"
                                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi
                                  Patrick
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I would add that the NEMA 6
                                    rating is for dust/water intrusion,
                                    not corrosion resistance.  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I don’t know what the metallurgy
                                    of the Enphase was/is or the HIQ.</div>
                                  <div>But I would not make the
                                    assumption that whats bad/good for
                                    one is the same for any other.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>jay</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Peltz power</div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                      <div><br>
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                                              <div>On Mar 11, 2016, at
                                                9:29 AM, Patrick
                                                Shortell <<a
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href="mailto:pshortell6@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pshortell6@gmail.com">pshortell6@gmail.com</a></a>>
                                                wrote:</div>
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                                                          <div>Hi Chris,<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          My experience
                                                          with
                                                          microinverters
                                                          rated NEMA 6
                                                          in a salt
                                                          environment
                                                          was an
                                                          absolute
                                                          disaster. I
                                                          have a 50KW
                                                          ground mount,
                                                          Enphase
                                                          M210's, Sanyo
                                                          220's and
                                                          within three
                                                          years more
                                                          than half
                                                          failed.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          The system is
                                                          approx a 1/2
                                                          mile from the
                                                          Ocean and
                                                          about 300
                                                          Yards from a
                                                          bay and is
                                                          also on an
                                                          island.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          We removed the
                                                          microinverters
                                                          and installed
                                                          SMA string
                                                          inverters.<br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        We have similiar
                                                        installations in
                                                        the immediate
                                                        area and the SMA
                                                        product has held
                                                        up for 12 years.<br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      My microinverter
                                                      experiment ended
                                                      badly and as an
                                                      electrician for
                                                      over thirty years,
                                                      the enphase
                                                      product was the
                                                      only product I
                                                      ever saw with a
                                                      NEMA 6 rating.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    My Opinion, you cant
                                                    beat an SMA product
                                                    in this environment.<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  Pat<br>
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                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_quote">On
                                                    Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at
                                                    11:39 AM,
                                                    Christopher Warfel <span
                                                      dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                      solid;padding-left:1ex">We
                                                      are designing a
                                                      480Vac, 3 phase
                                                      system for a
                                                      school on an
                                                      island. The system
                                                      will be outdoors,
                                                      about 1/2 from the
                                                      ocean shore.
                                                      Corrosion via salt
                                                      is a real problem.
                                                      We submitted some
                                                      pictures to Solar
                                                      Pro for an article
                                                      they are writing.
                                                      HIQ are NEMA 6.  I
                                                      have no experience
                                                      with them, and was
                                                      wondering if
                                                      anyone did.  Thank
                                                      you, Chris<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          Christopher
                                                          Warfel,
                                                          President<br>
                                                          ENTECH
                                                          Engineering,
                                                          Inc.<br>
                                                          PO Box 871,
                                                          Block Island,
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