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Hi Shasta;<br>
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Sounds like you get the prize for battery box diligence. Lots of
good ideas there, although I've seen very bad things happen with
steel bottom trays for batteries. <br>
I've also seen spray on bed liner get peeled right off by acid, so I
would go with all plastic or concrete on any inside battery
surfaces. The stepped concrete with floor drain sounds really good
too.<br>
This Pic is of a 10 year old coated steel battery pan. Tyvek suit
time.<br>
<img src="cid:part1.05080207.01090609@solarray.com" alt="">
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/29/2016 10:08 AM, Shasta Daiku
wrote:<br>
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I have always been dismayed with wooden battery boxes used in
professionally installed power systems. It seems vey
DIYer/HomePoweresque. Where else is wood used in electrical
installations? I have on occasion built some BB plywood core
boxes, sheetmetal outer skin/ FRP inner skin/ raw edges and
corners banded with SS angle/ rubber gaskets with lots of latches.
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<div class="">I build boxes that are made of either plastic or
metal depending on the environment and usage they’ll see.
Plastic, that is HDPE or acrylics, I order online cut to size,
or from a glass shop. 1/4” thickness. Metal, heavy gauge
sheetmetal, I have cut by fabricators, and then coated with
non-corrosive/conductive coatings by a cabinet shop.</div>
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<div class="">Here are some general guidelines</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-With either material, I keep the panels sized
small. Less than 2’ x 2’ is nice, both for shipping and
handling. </div>
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</div>
<div class="">-Panels can be attached to each other using H and U
channel, and angle stock (which also gives rigidity). Lids are
usually sectional rather than a heavy </div>
<div class=""> single lid. Sometimes, on plastic lids I rout
rabbets on the connecting seams so that the there is a half lap
joint.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-Plastic can be drilled and tapped. I generally
avoid using adhesives because they are toxic as Hell and pieces
want to slide out of alignment.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-When batteries sit on metal racks, I enclose the
racks with acrylic sheets using rare earth magnets. Magnets are
attached to the acrylic with epoxy or the </div>
<div class=""> magnet will have a counter sunk hole and machine
screws can be used.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-I seldom build a box with a back wall. Instead, I
apply a sheet of FRP (fiberglass reinforced plastic) to the wall
that the box sits against, smooth side out.</div>
<div class=""> Side panels butt against, and are attached to the
wall using U channel or angle stock. This accommodates a wall
that may not be flat or a </div>
<div class=""> wall/floor intersection that isn’t square. Corners,
That is sides to front pieces are made with angle stock. They
knock apart by using wing nuts or </div>
<div class=""> magnets. That way the front of the box can be
removed for placement/replacement.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-I stopped using hinges for lids along time ago,
when I started making lids that were sectional. Lately I run a
length of U channel against the back wall, the </div>
<div class=""> length of the box. The width of the channel is
wider than the thickness of the sheet, so that the sheet will
slide in easily. The lid section is removed rather </div>
<div class=""> hinged up. You know the saying “Don’t let the lid
hit you in the head!"</div>
<div class=""> </div>
<div class=""> -Over the years I have tried a lot of coatings in
my metal boxes. All have held up well, but I have found that
engine compartment type undercoatings to be</div>
<div class=""> my favorite.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-If I have a say in the power room/shed design, I
will specify a concrete slab with a shallow basin for the
batteries to sit in. The basin has a floor drain and is epoxy
coated. Otherwise I have a sheetmetal tray fabricated and have
it coated. The tray is separate from the enclosure.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">-In very hard use applications I have the box made
by a company that outfits utility and work trucks with beds and
boxes. These are just large custom</div>
<div class=""> “truck boxes” </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">-With smaller banks, I have successfully retrofitted
both gang boxes and truck/utility boxes. The simplest setup
being adding some cross members to a </div>
<div class=""> $300.00 gang box so that the batteries sat elevated
within. That makes a very nice servicing height! Again interiors
are coated.</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Growing up, I had a lot of exposure to both
industrial off-grid power systems (mining, oil/gas, research,
telecomm) and Maritime systems and thats</div>
<div class="">where my sensibilities originated. Lately I have
found myself the sole off-grid specialist in a fairly vast area,
and so what Im doing mostly is replacing battery banks. Lots of
battery banks, and lots of rotten, corroded, nasty toxic boxes!
A few weeks ago my helper and I donned Tyvex suits, rubber
gloves,</div>
<div class="">goggles, and respirators to Demo a box that was in a
dilapidated and soon to be be razed structure. The general
contractor and client stood by laughing and commented that it
looked like a scene from Breaking Bad!</div>
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<div class="">On Jan 28, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Ray Walters
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:</div>
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!important;" class="">Thanks for all the replies so
far. I've tried foundation waterproofing membrane for
a couple of years, but found it will deteriorate in
high acid concentrations. IT gets all gooey and
begins to dissolve. It had peel N stick adhesive, and
seemed like a good idea, until later. (it was HDPE?)<span
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construction 10 mil plastic sheeting hold a gal of
acid for many months, so I know that at least works
for acid.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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none; display: inline !important;" class="">The pond
liner looks good as well as Roy's wall plastic, but
the 1/8" polypropylene would seem to be possibly more
durable for about the same $$. Plastic welding looks
relatively easy with a heat gun and special tip on a
soldering iron, too. I'll report back on what we
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none; display: inline !important;" class="">As always
thanks for the input, and I welcome all further
comments. I feel battery enclosures are a somewhat
neglected part of off grid design.<span
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Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
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0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On
1/28/2016 7:06 PM, frenergy wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Add to the list...I've
had good luck with Grace roofing underlayment: tough
and to a degree, self-healing, sticks to itself (and
anything it comes in contact with) very well making
seams secure, easy to find at building supply store,
sticks aggressively to battery box sides without
mechanical fasteners, experience has shown it
resists acid. As with other solutions, something to
uniformly distribute the weight and irregular
bottoms of batteries should be employed.<br class="">
<br class="">
Bill<br class="">
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
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Just a couple of weeks ago we installed a 24V HUP
set in an existing installation. We had an existing
plywood battery box made of Baltic Birch (the 9-ply
12mm thick plywood typically used for cabinet drawer
carcases) with a liner made of 40(?)-mil pond liner
material. We removed the six cells from the steel
case, set the case in place in the plywood box and
lowered the cells into it. However, the box had a
non-removable 5" wide strip across the top rear, and
we needed to slide the entire 1100 pound case back
about 8" in order to fit both steel cases.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Before setting the steel case in the box I sprayed
the floor of the pond liner with a layer of the new
spray pulling lube from Klein Tools, then set the
steel case in place and lowered the cells. Using a
Porta-Power and some blocking, we slid the case into
place with little effort.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<br class="">
You might find that vinyl pond liner works well in a
plywood box. We found it at a Home Depot.<br
class="">
Allan<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/28/2016 3:25 PM,
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type="cite" class="">Hi All;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<br class="">
We're looking to improve our battery box
construction, and are considering using 1/8" think
polypropylene sheeting. I've used small premade
boxes before, but this will be for a HUP install,
and we would want to build the box around the
batteries after. Does anyone have experience/
comments on welding plastic? The alternative
would be to just seal the seams with acid
resistant caulking. (silicone, Geocell, ?)<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
I've had good luck in the past just using 10 mil
plastic sheeting stapled up on the inside of a
plywood box, but we will be scooting 1000 lb
batteries around on it, so I don't think the
sheeting will hold up.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
<br class="">
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