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Larry,<br>
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Thanks to people like you, we will all benefit from Lithium
batteries coming online sooner, no doubt at a decreasing cost. Many
of us in this field know what its like to pioneer/beta test new
products but soldier on to move things along to a better future.<br>
<br>
Bill<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Feather River Solar Electric
Bill Battagin, Owner
4291 Nelson St.
Taylorsville, CA 95983
530.284.7849
CA Lic 874049
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/23/2016 11:44 AM, Starlight Solar
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<div class="">To be sure, there is a fragility in using LFP
batteries if the integrator does not understand the
pitfalls….and there are many. In November a lithium battery and
solar “dealer” emailed me for help. He had damaged an $8000
battery bank and wanted to know how to get it working again.
After I told him a few things to NOT do, I then offered my
expertise for a $250 consulting fee. No response. I could tell
of other cases where the unlearned have ruined their DIY
installation or people have bought a LI-ion battery from dealers
that won’t provide support. The stories are too many.
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<div class="">I’ve been on the bleeding edge for 2 years now and
I’m still discovering mistakes I made in the early application
of our battery. Fortunately I am able to make the changes to
hardware and software to keep the battery safe from humans.
Lead is SO much more forgiving than Li-ion when it is not done
right.
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<div class="">We are up to 4-5 installations per month plus
out the door sale of about 5 systems per month. I receive
email inquiries daily about our LFMP batteries. I have high
hopes for products from the likes of Tesla. As I have said
in the past, Lithium battery technology IS the future for RE
storage…lead, your years are numbered. </div>
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class="">To get back to your previous response
to me – I’m fully onboard with the benefits of
lithium batteries. For now, they seem like the
clear successor to lead acid technology.
However, I’m still concerned about the ability
of these smaller “integrators” to assemble cells
and electronics together and make a robust
package. There may very well be good ones out
there, I just don’t know. Tesla’s product is
still brand new and who knows how that is going
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Starlight
Solar Power Systems<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, January 22,
2016 2:46 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> RE-wrenches<br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches]
LiFePO4; WAS Availability of Powerwall
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the use of the term "locally manufactured".
Mccune Solar Works does not manufacture lithium
batteries. They purchase battery cells from
China and package other third party components
like EMS and relays to make a lithium battery
system. Very similar to what we do except our
LFMP battery package EMS and CPU is designed by
the manufacturer exclusively for GBS batteries.
Perhaps a better term would be LFP battery
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A longtime off grid friend of mine, with
whom both I and Positive Energy have
collaborated on difficult installations
over the years, just purchased a 24V
230AH, 120 lb. LiFePO<sub class="">4</sub>
(Lithium Iron Phosphate) battery bank that
is locally manufactured in Albuquerque.
It's still too small and too expensive to
run his entire home, so he has devised a
battery switching system and is keeping
his older FLAs in operation while he tests
these and affords more strings. So far
he's quite pleased with the performance,
but there's not yet a track record for his
set.<br class="">
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So I want to pass on this low-key
manufacturer: Chuck McCune, McCune
Industries, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mccunesolarworks.com/"
class="">http://www.mccunesolarworks.com</a>,
(866) 622-8630. I believe that a legal
Non-Disclosure Agreement is necessary to
get the real info.<br class="">
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Contact me off list if you'd like to speak
with my friend with the new set. I believe
that he has set up as a regional dealer. <br
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Allan</p>
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Certified PV Installation Professional<br
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Professional<br class="">
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman
Electrician<br class="">
Founder (Retired), Positive Energy,
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<b class="">505 780-2738 cell</b><br
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