<div dir="ltr">The Sonnen offering is a rebadged and integrated Outback Radian with all those features. I believe it is 48V.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Peter Parrish <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" target="_blank">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I know a fair amount about Sonnen. I thought their main thrust was 480 V/3P & LiFePO4 batteries, and systems for peak demand clipping. Do they have a “residential” offering?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I am looking at 240/120 V split phase. If I can TOU load shifting and battery back-up, that will do it for this customer. <u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Peter<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">President, SolarGnosis<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">1107 Fair Oaks Ave.<u></u><u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Suite 351<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">South Pasadena, CA 91030<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%28323%29%20839-6108" value="+13238396108" target="_blank">(323) 839-6108</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:petertor@pobox.com" target="_blank">petertor@pobox.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Fink<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Availability of Powerwall Batteries<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Have you looked into SonnenBatterie? To which a number of Tesla execs have recently bailed out to work for?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As always with all these new hypey Lithium storage systems, their presentations had everything except the information that real Wrenches actually need. But I was able to glean the info that Sonnenbatterie works with existing 48VDC nominal equipment and input, and 120/240VAC inputs also. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Following all the info coming out, but i'd rather let someone else be the guinea pig. And, of course, big $$$$ per kWh of storage.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Dan Fink</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Adjunct Professor, Ecotech Institute<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">IREC Certified Instructor™ for: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ PV Installation Professional<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">~ Small Wind Installer<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Executive Director, Buckville Energy<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">NABCEP Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br><a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155cc">970.672.4342</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Peter Parrish <<a href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" target="_blank">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I have a residential client who wants a grid tied PV system with battery backup. The client wants everything to be top of the line: Sunpower modules. Tesla Powerwall batteries. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Unfortunately, I have been spending time recently researching "smart energy storage" for commercial applications focusing on peak demand shaving. These are 480 V 3-phase systems with 30 kW inverters and 48+ kWh Lithium technology batteries. I think I am beginning to understand the performance trade-offs and how these systems can complement PV to reduce demand charges as well as usage charges.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My problem, is that I have not spent as much time researching the newer residential GTBB offerings. I have studied the Juicebox offering – Schneider XW5548 plus NMC Lithium batteries -- but that’s about it. I don’t know the default vendor for the NMC batteries and if not Powerwall, could Powerwall be a replacement? </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Otherwise, does anyone know how to access the Powerwall offerings? Also has anyone had success getting a rebate in CA through the SGIP/AES program? I know to qualify for SGIP one needs to demonstrate load shifting as opposed to (or in addition to BB). </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There seems to be an offering from Solaredge (Storedge), but it is not clear their optimizers work with the 96 cell Sunpower X21-345, for example.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am convinced that smart storage will become more important over time, and I would like to use this customer to “get smart”, and prepare for future business of this sort.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Any practical knowledge would be greatly appreciated. I am happy to exchange information on commercial demand management offerings.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter</span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Peter T. 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