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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>FYI….the Sonnen battery
mentioned below is made by Sony.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches
[mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris
Mason<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Availability of Powerwall Batteries<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The Sonnen offering is a rebadged and integrated Outback
Radian with all those features. I believe it is 48V.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Peter Parrish <<a
href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" target="_blank">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
know a fair amount about Sonnen. I thought their main thrust was 480 V/3P &
LiFePO4 batteries, and systems for peak demand clipping. Do they have a
“residential” offering?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am
looking at 240/120 V split phase. If I can TOU load shifting and battery
back-up, that will do it for this customer. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'>
</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter
T. Parrish, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>President,
SolarGnosis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1107
Fair Oaks Ave.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Suite
351</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>South
Pasadena, CA 91030</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="tel:%28323%29%20839-6108" target="_blank">(323) 839-6108</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="mailto:petertor@pobox.com" target="_blank">petertor@pobox.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches
[mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org"
target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan
Fink<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Availability of Powerwall Batteries</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Have
you looked into SonnenBatterie? To which a number of Tesla execs have recently
bailed out to work for?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As
always with all these new hypey Lithium storage systems, their presentations
had everything except the information that real Wrenches actually need. But I
was able to glean the info that Sonnenbatterie works with existing 48VDC
nominal equipment and input, and 120/240VAC inputs also. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Following
all the info coming out, but i'd rather let someone else be the guinea pig.
And, of course, big $$$$ per kWh of storage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:9.5pt'>Adjunct Professor, Ecotech Institute</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:9.5pt'>Executive Director, Buckville Energy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:9.5pt'>NABCEP Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br>
<a href="tel:970.672.4342" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>970.672.4342</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Peter Parrish <<a
href="mailto:peter.parrish@calsolareng.com" target="_blank">peter.parrish@calsolareng.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have a residential client
who wants a grid tied PV system with battery backup. The client wants
everything to be top of the line: Sunpower modules. Tesla Powerwall batteries. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Unfortunately, I have been
spending time recently researching "smart energy storage" for
commercial applications focusing on peak demand shaving. These are 480 V
3-phase systems with 30 kW inverters and 48+ kWh Lithium technology batteries.
I think I am beginning to understand the performance trade-offs and how these
systems can complement PV to reduce demand charges as well as usage charges.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>My problem, is that I have
not spent as much time researching the newer residential GTBB offerings. I have
studied the Juicebox offering – Schneider XW5548 plus NMC Lithium batteries --
but that’s about it. I don’t know the default vendor for the NMC batteries and
if not Powerwall, could Powerwall be a replacement? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Otherwise, does anyone know
how to access the Powerwall offerings? Also has anyone had success
getting a rebate in CA through the SGIP/AES program? I know to qualify for SGIP
one needs to demonstrate load shifting as opposed to (or in addition to BB).
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>There seems to be an offering
from Solaredge (Storedge), but it is not clear their optimizers work with the
96 cell Sunpower X21-345, for example.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I am convinced that smart
storage will become more important over time, and I would like to use this
customer to “get smart”, and prepare for future business of this sort.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Any practical knowledge
would be greatly appreciated. I am happy to exchange information on commercial
demand management offerings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>President, SolarGnosis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>1107 Fair Oaks Ave., Ste.
351</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>South Pasadena, CA 91030</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a
href="tel:%28323%29%20839-6108" target="_blank">(323) 839-6108</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional #031806-26</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:peter.parrish@solargnosis.com" target="_blank">peter.parrish@solargnosis.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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