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I should add that my response was not intended to implicitly
denigrate Surrette. They are good batteries in general. While I have
experienced some failures, they have come through with good support
when needed. And they also have Steve Higgins as their technical
representative, which is a Major Plus.<br>
<br>
I have installed and replaced a fair number of L16s over the years,
and still do, as they fill a common niche. I use them but dislike
them, and this is about their fundamental topology, not specific to
any brand. In most cases in homeowners' systems I find that they
last about as long as golf carts, seldom longer under similar
conditions. Really. They're less forgiving of abuse than golf carts
and more expensive per amp-hour. Lots of cells to fill, not a lot of
reserve capacity for water, and you can't bypass a single failed
cell, so a single string only works in 48V, as you can limp along at
42V while a replacement battery or set is on order, but not at 18V.
<br>
<br>
Both L16s and golf carts make good training batteries, and good
replacements when it's time to sell the house with fresh batteries.
Otherwise industrial cells are the most cost-effective and
long-lasting choice among FLAs, especially when replacement labor
(and sometimes freight) are factored in.<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/15/2015 11:08 AM, Howie
Michaelson wrote:<br>
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<div>While I have no experience with HUP, I do have many years
of experience with Rolls/Surrette. They are a robust battery,
and in my opinion superior to Trojan and other mid-line
flavors. I am not as adamant about staying away from L16s as
Allan, although I'd whole-heartedly agree with keeping to one
string wherever possible, and 2 at most. <br>
<br>
Of course, going to the 2-volt batteries almost always allows
for single strings, and give you a much more robust battery,
and are often the right choice even for budget conscious
clients. However, they are a much larger investment and take
a much more robust charging system. Sometimes it makes sense
to start a new off-gridder on a set of less expensive
"training" batteries, depending on your assessment of their
learning curve, motivation, and budget. <br>
<br>
As with all batteries, there are occasional cell failures,
likely attributable to manu defects. But I've found with
Rolls, this is less common (except with the T12250 12-volt
batteries which I have seen a significant failure rate over
with the years). And I have never had trouble getting
batteries covered under warranty from them if I determine that
the failure was not likely operator error. But this is
probably dependent upon having a good, trusting relationship
with ones supplier, which I've always had with RAE Battery.<br>
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Howie<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(120,63,4)"><b>Howie
Michaelson</b></span><br>
<font size="1"><i>NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installer™</i></font><br>
<span style="color:rgb(106,168,79)"></span>Sun Catcher,
LLC<br>
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style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
size="2">Renewable Energy Systems Sales and Service<br>
VT Solar Electric Incentive Partner</font><span></span></span></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(180,95,6)">802-272-0004</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Allan
Sindelar <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com" target="_blank">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>></span>
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style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(0,0,0)"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Drake,<br>
Your request is missing specifics so my answer can only be
generic. Get away from all L16s. Go to one string of
industrial cells. There are numerous well-respected
brands. I would put HUPs at about the top. <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.hupsolarone.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.hupsolarone.com">www.hupsolarone.com</a></a>. Spend some time
on this website and it will become more clear.<br>
Allan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">NABCEP Certified PV
Installation Professional<br>
NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>
New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>
Founder (Retired), <span>Positive Energy, Inc.</span><br>
<b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:505%20780-2738" value="+15057802738"
target="_blank">505 780-2738</a> cell</b><br>
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<div>On 12/15/2015 9:07 AM, Drake wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hello Wrenches,<br>
<br>
Even after my clients have learned to maintain their
batteries properly, the Trojan L-16 batteries continue
to crater, one cell at a time. One client is considering
spending $12,000 on a nickel - iron battery bank he
found on the web. This seems like a ridiculously large
investment, but he is feeling desperate. We urgently
need another option from the Trojan L-16s.<br>
<br>
How are the Surrette L-16s holding up? Would you
recommend them as worth the extra investment? <br>
<br>
What is the best battery to use in an off grid system
these days. <br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Drake <br>
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