<p dir="ltr">I will say i dont like dumbing down of tech manuals, law books are for lawyers. Tech manuals should be writen and designed for techs not be for DIY'ers. Every manufacture wants it so ease a monkey could do it and thats not right. I see the results of unqualified people that followed the manual and its all wrong. If someone does not understand the manual it may bs because that person needs additional training to operate that part, tool or control, not saying that they are unqualified rather then additional training might be in order. <br>
Jerry<br>
Jerry</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 10, 2015 4:26 PM, "jay" <<a href="mailto:jay.peltz@gmail.com">jay.peltz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Hi All, </div><div><br></div>I’m totally with you guys. Better manuals would mean lots of less calls to the OEM as well. <div><br></div><div>I use the mom rule.</div><div>If my or your mom can’t figure out the manual, back to the drawing board. </div><div>Because, they are the user after all.</div><div>And to me its the clients system, I like to empower them to be able to use it and not have to rely on the installer for every problem. </div><div><br></div><div>jay</div><div><br></div><div>peltz power</div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 10, 2015, at 10:33 AM, Dana <<a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Manufacturers:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">I had a friend (now deceased) that had<span> </span><u>a mechanical engineering degree & a K-12 EDU certificate</u><span> </span>that was hired by Hughes Aircraft in Tucson, to write assist Hughes engineers with writing manuals for the aircraft & components they were producing for: ground crews, pilots & maintenance workers. The previous manuals were so obtuse that the manuals were becoming a hazard due to the left field jargon & descriptions the design engineers were putting out there in manuals.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">His mandate was to produce manuals that everyone from the maintenance crews to the variety of additional folks could:<span> </span><u>have both technical info & non-technical folks could grasp the concept and make decisions too.</u><span> </span>I think of him every time I open a manual or talk with a programming engineer who expects everyone to think like they do. There is a real art to being able to cross this gap & communicate it clearly, concisely, & accurately.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">I joke with most of my clients that (as in an early Trace manual stated) "if you have issues with insomnia that this manual will help with this issue." It does not need to be as simplistic as the Grundfoss pump manual cartoons with literally NO writing, but there is a vast range between cartoons & most tech manuals today.<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">How about it? There is a vast amount of super experienced grey hairs in the solar field that are burn out with turning the wrench, a lot of good people skills & communicating on a lay level that could really do a great job of fine tuning a lot of these manuals. It could be a collage of people that clarify various sections……………..<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">----------------------------------------------------------------------------<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Dana Orzel<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Great Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112-136<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">E -<span> </span><a href="mailto:dana@solarwork.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">dana@solarwork.com</a> - Web -<span> </span><a href="http://solarwork.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">solarwork.com</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">O - <a href="tel:970.626.5253" value="+19706265253" target="_blank">970.626.5253</a> C - <a href="tel:208.721.7003" value="+12087217003" target="_blank">208.721.7003</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" <span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"> Please consider the environment before printing this email.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>From: RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] On Behalf Of William Miller<br>Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:42 AM<br>To: RE-wrenches<br>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback customer service???</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Wrenches:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Thank you for bringing this up. There is a big problem with the quality of manuals produced by any of the manufacturers. This is not unique to the solar industry. Why is the section that is to be used only once at the front of the manual and the section used most often and in an emergency at the back? I am referring to the installation and troubleshooting sections, respectively. How do we expect a customer to make any sense of the manuals we are given? Why can't manufacturers punch manuals for 3 hole binders? Arrgh!<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">I rewrite the manuals for anything the customer is expected to use. If any of you are interested in a sample of a condensed manual for the Mate or Mate3, contact me off-line. I keep these under wraps as it is a proprietary value added feature we offer, but I am willing to share outside of our market area. Maybe there is a career in producing third party equipment manuals...<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">William<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">PS: I am just now writing an abstract for a lecture at a technical university. Drake's message reminds me to include technical writing as a needed skill in the industry. There is much work to be done by technical writers!<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Wm<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Lic 773985<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><a href="http://millersolar.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">millersolar.com</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><a href="tel:805-438-5600" value="+18054385600" target="_blank">805-438-5600</a><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">-----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">From: RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Drake<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 7:57 AM<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">To: RE-wrenches<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Outback customer service???<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">The manuals could be a lot better too. Usually I need a few pages from a long manual, and don't benefit from reading pages and pages of warnings and basic stuff. Clear and complete indexing could reduce the load on tech support.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">At 02:54 PM 12/8/2015, you wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>I too have been frustrated with Outback tech support. I have sat on<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>hold for as long as 40 minutes before anyone picked up. I have<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>suggested they have a "dealers only" line and as any good customer<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>support person would, they empathized with me..........One tech<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>actually told me the majority of their callers were dealers. I think<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>this speaks to the added problem battery based systems and so many new<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>dealers installing them has brought to the industry, but I still feel<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">>Outback is doing a disservice to us all......<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > HI Larry;<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> ><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > I second your suggestion that dealers have a separate, expedited<span> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > contact line that reaches someone with a higher level of expertise.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > 1) We're repeat customers, and their front line sales team.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > 2) We're not going to call unless its something trickier to figure<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">out.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > This has been a long term problem with several of the manufacturers.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> ><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > R.Ray Walters<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > CTO, Solarray, Inc<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > Nabcep Certified PV Installer,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > Licensed Master Electrician<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > Solar Design Engineer<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:14pt;font-family:'Century Gothic',sans-serif">> > </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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