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<DIV>Is the other side of the coin, though, use one string of high capacity
L-16's to: reduce the number of cables and their connections to terminals
(failure points, maintenance), reduce the watering hassle (half as many cells to
check, water, take SGs), because there are less cells you're more likely to
check SG's, only dropping into the 90% range for the overnight discharge sounds
like she could do with one string, no worries about fusing a second
string. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I'm not discounting the usefulness of
GC batteries, but I'm not seeing L-16s having a worse track record. I
think you guys have more experience in that regard than I do.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill</DIV>
<DIV>Feather River Solar Electric</DIV>
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<A title=allan@sindelarsolar.com href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com">Allan
Sindelar</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 23, 2015 5:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery
recommendation WAS: Rolls batteries</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Thanks, esteemed Wrenches,<BR>I'm thinking that she would do
fine with 440 A/hr of T105 REs. Jay asked about her loads. I emailed her
this earlier today:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="webkit-text-size-adjust: auto">Beverly,<BR>Back
when the batteries were still strong, if you ended a day's charging at 100%,
what would the percentage be when you awoke the next morning? I'm looking
for typical, in order to address a question about your replacement
batteries. <BR></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE>And she replied "probably in the 90s...I
think..." She can live on nothing if she has to. So it's either two strings of
good golf carts or two strings of non-high-capacity L16s. <BR><BR>And I like
Jerry's suggestion to talk with my battery distributor.<BR>And I like Jay's
suggestion re the box - yes, it was sized for 8 L16s, so it's either L16s or
smaller unless we rebuild it.<BR><BR>I too have respect for golf carts - way
more respect for golf carts than for L16s in general. Golf cart batteries have
a greater capacity for absurd abuse then anything else I have ever seen. I'd
give Beverly three strings if the box had room. With minimal care 5 years is
safe, and she's not perfect but she's pretty good. So at this point (unless
Steve Higgins at Surrette talks me otherwise) I'll go with 8 golf carts and
save the rest for the next set, or for more array.<BR><BR>Thank
you!<BR>Allan<BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B>Allan Sindelar</B><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><A
href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"><A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com">allan@sindelarsolar.com</A></A></SPAN><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">NABCEP Certified PV Installation
Professional<BR>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<BR>New Mexico
EE98J Journeyman Electrician<BR>Founder (Retired), <SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Positive Energy, Inc.</SPAN><BR><B>505
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 10/23/2015 8:31 AM, Drake wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:20151023143134.5FE4C10BD8@che.dreamhost.com
type="cite">Hi Allan and Jay,<BR>I second the golf cart battery option.
Trojan T-105s seem to be the most bang for the buck. An 800 W array wouldn't
stir up the electrolyte sufficiently in an L-16. Maybe the backup generator
would. What all is she running?<BR>Drake <BR><BR>At 06:40 PM 10/22/2015, you
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">Hi Allan,<BR><BR>A few
questions.<BR>how little energy? amp hrs night/avg. and<BR>is mx
something this person does or would like to do without?<BR><BR>But given
what you’ve said, I wouldn’t go with wet cell industrial as you’ll never
get the C rate you need. If the 8 x L-16’s have done her well
( and probably the battery box is set up for that form factor) and with
your budget I’d go with another set of L-16’s flooded or sealed if
the budget/want allows. <BR><BR>And if the need is really quite small, I”d
consider golf cart. Yea yea,I hear all the laughs, but where I live,
golf carts seem to have the life they always have, but L-16’s ( all
brands) seem to have a shorter and shorter life for reasons I don’t
understand. <BR>jay, peltz power<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:19 AM,
Allan Sindelar <<A href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">allan@sindelarsolar.com</A> > wrote:<BR><BR>I
have a related question, please. One of my longtime off grid clients is
a single woman who maintains a nonprofit sanctuary for about 30 rescue
dogs, both adoptable and not adoptable (curious? <A
href="http://www.bridgingtheworlds.org/"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.bridgingtheworlds.org</A> ). With that many
animals, Beverly seldom leaves her remote land and her support and
sustenance comes primarily from donations. Her existing system is a
18-year-old SW4024/Solar Boost SB50, with 800W of old array and eight
L16s. <BR><BR>The L16s were takeouts from another job that I figured had
some life left (used for two years in another contractor's Sunny Island
GTBB system without telling the customer that he needed to add water
regularly). I gave them to her at no cost and they lasted three years
but are now dying fast.<BR><BR>At my suggestion she has been running a
GoFundMe campaign that has raised $2900. I have already told her that
I'll do the swapout at no charge. I told her that the choice of her next
set of batteries would depend on the money she raised: we have another
24V set of 820A/hr Rolls that I think has some life left, or we can
afford 8 L16s, or with the most generous donation total I'll order a set
of HUPs and they'll last her the rest of her life (or maybe not - she's
healthy, beautiful and independent at 71 years). <BR><BR>So, my
question: At $3,000 and 24V, what would you sell her? This is bound to
bring varied opinions, but I want to look beyond what I would select
based on price and get other Wrenches' suggestions. I'll add that while
the array is small and old, she lives well on very little energy, and
has a TriMetric and a backup generator. <BR><BR>Thank you for your
opinions.<BR>Allan<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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