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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jay,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I second your thumbs up for golf cart batteries for their value to budget wise off-gridders. I sell a lot of Trojan T-105's (selling more of the RE models the last few years) to do-it-yourselfers with small systems. I have not seen problems with two, and up to three strings of these in 24v systems. Many of my customers can't afford the more expensive batteries and they have been getting 8 to 12 years of service from T-105's. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David Palumbo <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Independent Power LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>462 Solar Way Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hyde Park, VT 05655<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>jay<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Battery recommendation WAS: Rolls batteries<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Allan,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A few questions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>how little energy? amp hrs night/avg.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>is mx something this person does or would like to do without?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But given what you’ve said, I wouldn’t go with wet cell industrial as you’ll never get the C rate you need. If the 8 x L-16’s have done her well ( and probably the battery box is set up for that form factor) and with your budget I’d go with another set of L-16’s flooded or sealed if the budget/want allows. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And if the need is really quite small, I”d consider golf cart. Yea yea,I hear all the laughs, but where I live, golf carts seem to have the life they always have, but L-16’s ( all brands) seem to have a shorter and shorter life for reasons I don’t understand. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>jay<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>peltz power<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Allan Sindelar <<a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>I have a related question, please. One of my longtime off grid clients is a single woman who maintains a nonprofit sanctuary for about 30 rescue dogs, both adoptable and not adoptable (curious?<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="http://www.bridgingtheworlds.org/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>www.bridgingtheworlds.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";background:white'>). With that many animals, Beverly seldom leaves her remote land and her support and sustenance comes primarily from donations. Her existing system is a 18-year-old SW4024/Solar Boost SB50, with 800W of old array and eight L16s.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br><br><span style='background:white'>The L16s were takeouts from another job that I figured had some life left (used for two years in another contractor's Sunny Island GTBB system without telling the customer that he needed to add water regularly). I gave them to her at no cost and they lasted three years but are now dying fast.</span><br><br><span style='background:white'>At my suggestion she has been running a GoFundMe campaign that has raised $2900. I have already told her that I'll do the swapout at no charge. I told her that the choice of her next set of batteries would depend on the money she raised: we have another 24V set of 820A/hr Rolls that I think has some life left, or we can afford 8 L16s, or with the most generous donation total I'll order a set of HUPs and they'll last her the rest of her life (or maybe not - she's healthy, beautiful and independent at 71 years).<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><br><br><span style='background:white'>So, my question: At $3,000 and 24V, what would you sell her? This is bound to bring varied opinions, but I want to look beyond what I would select based on price and get other Wrenches' suggestions. I'll add that while the array is small and old, she lives well on very little energy, and has a TriMetric and a backup generator.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><br><br><span style='background:white'>Thank you for your opinions.</span><br><span style='background:white'>Allan</span><br style='orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com">allan@sindelarsolar.com</a></span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired),<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Positive Energy, Inc.<br><b>505 780-2738 cell</b><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>On 10/22/2015 11:50 AM,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:penobscotsolar@midmaine.com">penobscotsolar@midmaine.com</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><pre style='background:white'>As with Tump, we have been using the KS series for over 20 years with<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>little issue. My own particular caveat is that we have now started to use<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Crown as well and are finding them as rugged, easier to move (metal cases<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>with handles), with built in water miser caps, and a better warranty, and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>with great success. I also echo Tumps sentiments with Roy at RAE. We have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>been buying from him since our inception in 1988.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Daryl<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='background:white'>The 5000 series are what we always recommend and install for my off grid<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>clients. 2 volt cells are the only way we go. Despite what folks believe,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>we find it easier to handle the KS series then the L16.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>We have been using them for many years and as with ANY manu, they have and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>had issues BUT...... we feel w/ proper system sizing, education of the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>client & record keeping we have yet to have an issue w/ warrantee claims.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>That being said we have had a long relationship W/Jamie Surrette and his<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>supplier, Roy Early and his crew at RAE Battery, one of the best<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>suppliers in our 27+ years.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Kristopher Schmid wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='background:white'>Hi Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Anyone using Rolls Surrette batteries? Happy with them? Worth the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>extra $$$?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Thanks for the feedback,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Kris<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>--<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Shine On!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Kris Schmid<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Legacy Solar, LLC<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>864 Clam Falls Trail<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Frederic, WI 54837<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><a href="http://www.legacysolar.com/">www.legacysolar.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>715-653-4295<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>NABCEP Certified PV Installer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'>Licensed Wisconsin 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