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    The other option is Midnite Solar's remote controlled breakers or
    combiner boxes.  They make up to a 250 amp breaker, but I found on
    large battery systems that we need some thing larger. Colorado is
    now requiring Rapid Disconnect for the batteries as well, which is
    NOT the original intent of that article.  Is the Gigavac UL listed?<br>
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CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer, 
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
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      William and Wrenches, 
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      <div class="">I have pondered situations like this one and wonder
        the following: If a high voltage DC solenoid were placed at the
        PV array and the coil was controlled by an arc fault detector
        along with a means of manually disconnecting, would that not
        work to satisfy shut down requirements and safety concerns? </div>
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      <div class="">We have been using 350A, 800 volt solenoids from
        Gigavac in our lithium battery system on both the positive and
        negative terminals (controlled by a CPU) to provide 100%
        disconnect if case of any battery fault. 
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                    class="">Dear Fellow Wrenches</span></div>
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                    class="">Below is a design conundrum that may
                    resonate with some of you:</span></div>
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                    class="">We are finalizing a design for an off-grid
                    residential system.  The customer insist the PV
                    should be on the roof and pre-installed a 1-1/4” PVC
                    conduit from his roof to a crawl space, in
                    anticipation of a solar install.  This created real
                    problems, because we all know we can’t pull PV
                    source or output circuits in (or now, on)  the
                    envelopes of habitable buildings.</span></div>
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                    class="">There was no practical way to replace the
                    PVC.  We contrived a method to sleeve ¾”
                    liquid-tight through the 1-1/4” PVC to the crawl
                    space, continuing on with EMT.  This is the largest
                    metallic conduit we could fit.  The distance was
                    greater than 10 feet so we couldn’t use EMT.  Due to
                    the conduit size restriction, we upgraded to
                    Morningstar 600 volt charge controllers, allowing us
                    to reduce conductor size.</span></div>
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                    class="">(As a sidebar, although the Morningstar is
                    listed as a 600 volt charge controller, we have
                    found no circumstance were we could take advantage
                    of that high a voltage.  With the currently
                    available high wattage modules, by the time we added
                    enough in series to get to 600 volts, we were well
                    beyond the wattage capabilities of the controller. 
                    For sake of design considerations, I suggest one
                    regard these units as ~300 volt charge controllers.)</span></div>
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                    class="">We now have plans for 300 volt PV feeders
                    running down an interior wall and under the house,
                    with no roof-top disconnecting means.  It is my
                    understanding none are required.  I am not
                    comfortable with this.  In this scenario, there is
                    no safe way to replace either of the two Morningstar
                    controllers. Should someone drill through or damage
                    the EMT in the wall or under the floor, there would
                    be no way to turn off the feeder.</span></div>
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                    class="">I don’t like putting HU361RBs on a roof. 
                    They must remain vertical and so they stick up too
                    high and are hard to provide mounting for. 
                    Sola-deck units are another option, but they require
                    integrating with shingles, not practical on this job
                    or many others.  I finally settled on a DC-Sunvolt
                    PV-X16A-4X-RG disconnect as a possible solution.  At
                    $216 it is not out of range.  The unit will provide
                    means to turn off the feeders for service.  I will
                    report back on my impressions of the unit.</span></div>
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                    class="">To distill this scenario, I don’t believe
                    the code requires a disconnect, but I feel morally
                    obligated to install one.  I’d be interested in
                    verification of the code interpretation and others
                    response to similar situations.</span></div>
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                    class="">I found no other options for rooftop
                    disconnecting means that would be small, reasonably
                    priced and not present a high profile.  If there are
                    products I don’t know about, I would be most
                    grateful to receive your input.</span></div>
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                    class="">While researching the hardware I stumbled
                    upon this article, linked below.  It seems to
                    present a real dilemma, but I am not convinced. 
                    Please remain skeptical as you read.  It appears all
                    of the links direct you to the same source.</span></div>
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                    class="">Thanks again to all of you for helpful
                    advice and expertise.  I learned about Sunvolt here,
                    just one of many great suggestions.</span></div>
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                    class="">Sincerely,</span></div>
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