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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for chiming in and going on the record with a good position!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Glenn Burt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>billbrooks7@sbcglobal.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 7:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'RE-wrenches'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 1800u not generating power<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glenn,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While the installation may not claim exact compliance with the current NEC (debatable), you can easily show that the TL inverter is much safer than the older 1800U. The TL has arc-fault detection and much better ground-fault detection. Conduit is not the answer since it breaks several other code requirements like the module manufacturer’s instructions (110.3(B)).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill Brooks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> RE-wrenches [<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Glenn Burt<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2015 2:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 1800u not generating power<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All the way back to the module jboxes? Sounds pricey.<br>That is assuming the module jboxes accept conduit.<br><br>Indeed it I not only the home runs that need to be concerned with the PV rating, but the module conductors as well, as there is no distinction made in the code between them.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Glenn Burt<br>Sent from my 'smart' phone so please excuse grammar and typos.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:william@millersolar.com">William Miller</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>7/24/2015 16:59</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 1800u not generating power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Put it in conduit. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Glenn Burt <<a href="mailto:glenn.burt@glbcc.com">glenn.burt@glbcc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>How do you get around the code requirement for the use of PV wire with a TL inverter on the existing array?<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Glenn Burt<br>Sent from my 'smart' phone so please excuse grammar and typos.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:jerrysgarage01@gmail.com">jerrysgarage01</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>7/24/2015 12:57</span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches</a></span><br><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 1800u not generating power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>SMA used to to do repairs but last I heard they no longer have replacement parts. I have used the new SMA TL-22 because of the low voltage dc input. If you added some additional modules to the "B" input it might qualify for the tax credit (I did say might)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Good luck<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jerry<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From: Jason Szumlanski <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Date:07/24/2015 4:25 AM (GMT-10:00) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To: RE-wrenches <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] SMA 1800u not generating power <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Someone contacted me off list and said this company does out of warranty SMA repairs:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.shop.solarcowboyzoutlet.com/Inverter-Repair-Service-Inverter-Repair-Service.htm">http://www.shop.solarcowboyzoutlet.com/Inverter-Repair-Service-Inverter-Repair-Service.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Looks like there is a risk in how big the repair is, but apparently they are willing to talk about the diagnostics before you send it in, and fix minor problems for a flat rate.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>One bad part about these small systems is that labor to repair or replace failed units can easily turn into a cost equivalent to years of energy production, not to mention the hardware cost itself... I've only sold a few "tiny" systems over the years, and never really considered this. It makes much more financial sense for an owner to replace a failed 5kW inverter when the labor is basically the same as a 2kW.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jason Szumlanski<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Sky Sims <<a href="mailto:sky@ecologicalsystems.biz" target="_blank">sky@ecologicalsystems.biz</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is a known issue. I've come across a bunch of their inverters that have had this problem. In addition to seeing this issue on their 1800's I've seen it happen on their 2500's as well. Shows a solid green light but isn't putting out power. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The first time I came across this issue they had a refurbishment program, where they would rebuild the inverter and send it back with a one year warranty for under $400. The refurbishment program was a great program that I hope they bring back someday.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The last few times I contacted SMA about one of these defective inverters, they said the product was not under warranty and they no longer supported it. Only option they gave was to buy a new unit. <span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>Sky Sims</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#888888'>Ecological Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:49 AM, Jason Szumlanski <<a href="mailto:jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com" target="_blank">jason@floridasolardesigngroup.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>I am looking at a 1800u from 2004 that has a green light and in mpp mode, but Pac is zero. Grid and DC voltage are good. No other indication of problems. I saw Pac tick up to 2W a couple of times, but that's it. It's just not delivering AC power. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Any thoughts? <o:p></o:p></p><p>Sadly, it doesn't make much financial sense for the owner to replace it with a current model, as the replacement cost would take almost 10 years to recover with the small BIPV array connected to it. I'm hoping for a field repair option. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Jason Szumlanski <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html</a><br><br>List rules & etiquette:<br><a href="http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm" target="_blank">www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm</a><br><br>Check out or update participant bios:<br><a href="http://www.members.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">www.members.re-wrenches.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>List sponsored by Redwood Alliance<br><br>List Address: <a href="mailto:RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org">RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>Change listserver email address & settings:<br><a href="http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org</a><br><br>List-Archive: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html" target="_blank">http://www.ma</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>[The entire original message is not included.]<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="99%" noshade style='color:#909090' align=center></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td style='padding:0in 9.0pt 0in 4.8pt'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus"><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.png@01D0C655.949A14B0" alt="Avast logo"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3D4D5A'>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. <br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">www.avast.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>