<div dir="ltr"><div>Esteemed Wrenches, <br>Does anyone know of a less tedious and messy way to lube the bolts than squeeze tube anti-seize? <br><br>My 2 cents; I believe that the torque specs for an engineered assembly are put in there for a reason. Ignoring them puts the installer on the hook for any failures. Aside from being the right thing to do, using torque wrenches helps avoid assuming unnecessary financial risk which my thin margins cannot afford. <br><br></div>Kurt Johnsen<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ray Walters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ray@solarray.com" target="_blank">ray@solarray.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Besides your note that cordless impact drivers can over torque the
clamps, also they spin the bolts too fast which can lead to spalling
of the SS hardware.<br>
We now hand torque those connects. Finally, most torque specs are
for lubricated bolts. We use anti-seize on the threads before
torquing.<br>
Using a cordless impact driver and no lube can cause not only module
damage but also clamp damage, and end up with clamps not actually
securing the modules, because the bolts spalled out before fully
clamping.<br>
<pre cols="72">R.Ray Walters
CTO, Solarray, Inc
Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
<a href="tel:303%20505-8760" value="+13035058760" target="_blank">303 505-8760</a></pre><div><div class="h5">
<div>On 6/28/2015 3:06 PM, Benn Kilburn
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Chris,<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">It sounds (to me) that you are describing the
bonding "tooth" dug through the aluminum frame and into the
glass? or at least compressed the frame enough to break the
glass? If that is the case then i'm betting that the clamp
bolt was way over-torqued.<br>
<br>
You need to check the recommended tightening torque for the
module and for the racking system you are using. For example,
what we are using these days, Kinetic, the tightening torque
for mid and end clamps is 12 ft-lb and here are some
recommended clamping <span>torques</span> from some
different module mfgrs....<br>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Conergy 8 NM - 6 ft-lb<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Hanwha 5 NM - 3.7 ft-lb<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">JA Solar 18-24 NM - 13-18 ft-lb<br>
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These likely vary based on the construction of the module
frame.<br>
I've also found that some module mfgrs do not list recommended
<span>tightening</span> <span>torques</span>
in their install manuals, so best to use discretion.<br>
<br>
We had a module break after clamping it down. The crew
described it as 'putting the module in place, clamping it down
and turning around to grab the next module and hearing a
'crack' followed by the crackling glass sound (if you have
ever heard a module break, the crackling sound can last for a
few minutes). The break pattern in the glass seemed to focus
on a particular mid clamp. I used a torque wrench, set at
around 10 ft-lb and checked all the mid-clamp bolts,
increasing the torque setting by a few ft-lb each time until
it finally turned a bolt instead of clicking. I found that
most of the bolts were close to 30 ft-lb and the one that
appeared to break the glass was about 34 ft-lb.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">Suffice to say, we were getting carried away
with tightening using cordless impact drivers. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">At that point i and the rest of the crew
started using the torque wrench as we were going along until
we had a better feel for what was the proper torque. (i've
done this before, but it is something that needs to be self
"re-calibrated" often. <br>
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<div style="text-align:left">CSA Certified Solar
Photovoltaic Systems Electrician, SkyFire Energy Inc</div>
<div style="text-align:left">6706 – 82 Ave NW | Edmonton, AB
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Chris
Worcester <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com" target="_blank">chris@solarwindworks.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi
Jason,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Have
you or others been using the new UniRac SM mid and
end clamps with the integrated bonding yet? My
concern is the “</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"PTSans-Regular","sans-serif"">Stainless
steel Midclamp points, 2 per module, pierce module
frame anodization to bond module to module through
clamp.”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We
had an MSI Alpha + self-bonding midclamp shatter the
glass on an LG 280 last fall, as the factory set
point was sticking out too far, so as it was being
tightened down, on top of the module the point dug
through the module’s top frame hitting the glass,
shattering it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
do wonder if there are any issues with this “point”
on the UniRac midclamps potential for doing the same
damage?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Chris
Worcester</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Solar
Wind Works</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">NABCEP
Certified PV Installer</span></p>
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<a href="tel:530-582-4503" value="+15305824503" target="_blank">530-582-4503</a></span></p>
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<a href="tel:530-448-9692" value="+15304489692" target="_blank">530-448-9692</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.solarwindworks.com" target="_blank">www.solarwindworks.com</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:chris@solarwindworks.com" target="_blank">chris@solarwindworks.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
RE-wrenches [mailto:<a href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Szumlanski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 25, 2015 1:13 PM<span><br>
<b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] SnapNrack</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That decision was based on our
distribution network offering better pricing on
Unirac, and engineers being comfortable with it. Now
with the integrated grounding from Unirac, I can't
see moving away from it again barring a significant
cost benefit. It also stacks and stocks easier than
the Ironridge rails.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at
5:55 PM, Dana Brandt <<a href="mailto:dana@ecotechenergy.com" target="_blank">dana@ecotechenergy.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Jason,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">We've used
Unirac for years but have been
contemplating Ironridge. I'm curious
what your experience was and why you
went back to Unirac? <br>
<br>
Anyone else have input on best racking
systems for flush-mounted residential
systems on comp roof? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dana<br>
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Dana Brandt<br>
Ecotech Energy Systems, LLC<br>
<a href="http://www.ecotechenergy.com" target="_blank">www.ecotechenergy.com</a><br>
<a href="mailto:dana@ecotechenergy.com" target="_blank">dana@ecotechenergy.com</a><br>
<a href="tel:360.318.7646" target="_blank">360.318.7646</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 5, 2014
at 12:09 PM, Jason Szumlanski <<a href="mailto:jason@fafcosolar.com" target="_blank">jason@fafcosolar.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">By
Snap N Rack, you mean Sun Run...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/05/sunrun-acquires-rec-solars-residential-business-aee-solar-snapnrack-means/" target="_blank">http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/05/sunrun-acquires-rec-solars-residential-business-aee-solar-snapnrack-means/</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I'm
curious if these vertical
integrators will still make
their acquired brands available
to small dealers through
distribution. When SolarCity
snatched up Zep, I had concerns
about being able to service or
add onto existing Zep systems we
installed. That's definitely a
concern going forward, and
reason to perhaps stick with the
most compatible racking
solutions available. We used
IronRidge for a while, which is
largely compatible with Unirac,
but now we're back on the Unirac
bandwagon. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Interesting
times...</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Jason
Szumlanski</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Fafco
Solar</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb
5, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Max
Balchowsky <<a href="mailto:max@seesolar.com" target="_blank">max@seesolar.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We
have been using Snap
N' Rack for a while,
Have lots of installs
in Hawaii - so far no
problems, I like the
convenience of the
design for snapping in
the slider nut in mid
rail, and also the
ability to install the
panels flush with the
end of the rails….</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Max
Balchowsky<br>
Design Engineer<br>
SEE Systems<br>
1048 Irvine Ave
Suite 217<br>
Newport Beach, Ca.
92660<br>
<a href="tel:760-403-6810" target="_blank">760-403-6810</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Building
a Better Future For
The Next Generation"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Allen
Frishman <<a href="mailto:amfrish@aeonsolar.com" target="_blank">amfrish@aeonsolar.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b>
RE-wrenches <<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
February 5, 2014
6:17 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re: [RE-wrenches]
SnapNrack</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
am curious
about the mid
clamps on the
snapnrack.
The flange
that rests on
top of the
solar panel
frame is so
small ~ 3/16".
Anyone
experience any
problems with
these failing
in a big
storm? With
solar panel
frames not
being square
it is nice to
have a little
extra to grab
- I am always
curious as to
why these
clips are made
with such a
small area to
hold the
panels down.
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<p class="MsoNormal">All
feedback on
these clips is
appreciated.</p>
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Frishman</span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><br>
<span style="color:#030100">Aeon</span><span style="color:#ff9700">Solar</span></span></p>
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<i><a href="tel:%28888%29%20460-2867" value="+18884602867" target="_blank">(888)
460-2867</a></i><br>
<i><a href="http://www.aeonsolar.com/" target="_blank">www.aeonsolar.com</a></i></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On
Jun 1, 2013,
at 10:41 AM,
Max Balchowsky
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Have
installed last
three systems
(35Kw)with
snap n rack.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">love
it....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Max
Balchowsky<br>
Design
Engineer<br>
SEE Systems</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">1048
Irvine Ave
Suite 217<br>
Newport Beach,
Ca. 92660<br>
<a href="tel:760-403-6810" target="_blank">760-403-6810</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">"Building
a Better
Future For The
Next
Generation"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Solarguy
<<a href="mailto:ntrei@1scom.net" target="_blank">ntrei@1scom.net</a>><br>
<b>To:</b>
'RE-wrenches'
<<a href="mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org" target="_blank">re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Friday, May
31, 2013 10:11
PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[RE-wrenches]
SnapNrack</span></p>
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