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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>One thing to add on the horizontal installation: Even with the soft start I have had the pump break & unscrew partially Sched 40 PVC pipe in more than one installation. I would add a couple of horizontal pieces of unistrut and (I think its 2.5 or 3”) unistrut clamps around the pump to keep the pump from twisting. It is an un-needed service call to avoid.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#002060'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Dana Orzel <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>Great Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112-136<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>E - dana@solarwork.com - Web - solarwork.com <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>O - 970.626.5253 C - 208.721.7003<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'>"Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allan Sindelar<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 22, 2015 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid deep well pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Adding to James' post about Grundfos SQ pumps:<br><br>The 1/2 HP models (only) are available in 115V as well as 230V. The 5SQ05-180 pumps around 5-6 gpm at up to about 300' of TDH, or 200' plus pressurizing in a single-pump installation. This makes it an ideal replacement in certain situations where existing 24V DC pumps have failed or wells have dropped and inverted AC is available, but only 120V, such as Outback FX and old Trace SW. It's soft-start, so there's no surge and no flickering lights. <br><br>I have used this solution several times successfully, and just installed one in place of a failed Lorentz running at 24V. <br><br>This pump can also safely be laid horizontally in a storage tank and used as a pressurizing pump. Both the 5SQ05-140 and the 5SQ05-180 will work in this application, controlled by a standard pressure switch. I will generally mount the pump in a sleeve (also offered by Grundfos), with spacers to keep the pump off of the tank bottom. This is a good approach for rainwater catchment, as the pump will tolerate some sediment, unlike some better surface pressurizing pumps.<br>Allan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Allan Sindelar</b><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="mailto:allan@sindelarsolar.com"><u>allan@sindelarsolar.com</u></a></span><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>NABCEP Certified PV Installation Professional<br>NABCEP Certified Technical Sales Professional<br>New Mexico EE98J Journeyman Electrician<br>Founder (Retired), Positive Energy, Inc.<br><b>505 780-2738 cell</b><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 4/10/2015 11:52 AM, James Jefferson Jarvis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>The SQ is not just a simple AC motor. It has the soft start and pretty much all of the same features as the SQE, besides the variable speed that makes the constant pressure work well. <br><br><a href="http://www.grundfos.com/products/find-product/sq.html"><u>http://www.grundfos.com/products/find-product/sq.html</u></a> <br><br>I use SQ on my own two wells. Both run perfectly on Magnum MS4024PAE (single inverter). Both are around 300 ft deep with ~100' static water level. Use 3/4 HP in one and 1 HP in the other. No starting surges. Can't even tell it is running. Can run 12 AWG wire out and down the well and voltage drop won't cause them to run any slower. <br><br>-James Jarvis <br>APRS World, LLC <br><a href="http://www.aprsworld.com"><u>http://www.aprsworld.com</u></a> <br><br>On 4/10/2015 12:30 PM, Ray Walters wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think you've started a good rundown of the three pump lines, I believe <br>they all use the same basic multistage pump head. The SQ line has just <br>a simple AC motor; no constant pressure, and the usual starting surge <br>associated with regular AC submersibles. <br><br>R.Ray Walters <br>CTO, Solarray, Inc <br>Nabcep Certified PV Installer, <br>Licensed Master Electrician <br>Solar Design Engineer <br>303 505-8760 <br><br>On 4/10/2015 11:25 AM, Howie Michaelson wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks everyone for the feedback - as always the best source of hands on <br>info anywhere! <br><br>So as I understand it, the 2 basic choices are the SQ,SQE line or the <br>SQFlex line. <br>Advantages of the SQE are: <br>* cheaper <br>* Constant pressure <br>Advantages of the SQFlex are: <br>* More efficient (how much?) <br>* Can run on AC or DC <br><br>Both are soft start, and both can run without the controller. No <br>controller looses the display readout and a couple other smaller bells <br>and <br>whistles, but otherwise no operational change. I haven't be able to <br>determine the difference between the SQ & SQE lines. 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