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I agree, scratch my previous suggestion of 8 in series on the
Outback controller. I got so used to Midnites that I forgot how
unforgiving the Outback controllers are with high Voc. Run the
Unisolar modules through the Midnite sizer.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midnitesolar.com/sizingTool/index.php">http://www.midnitesolar.com/sizingTool/index.php</a><br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">R.Ray Walters
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Nabcep Certified PV Installer,
Licensed Master Electrician
Solar Design Engineer
303 505-8760</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/31/2015 10:59 PM, Allan Sindelar
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Jay,<br>
Whoa, I'd be careful there. Unless there's been a change while I
was away on my bicycle, Outbacks are still 140V rated maximum
voltage and 150V hard maximum. 142Voc in May suggests that
doubling strings in series will easily exceed max Voc in winter.
That's why I previously suggested Classic 200 or 250. Am I missing
something?<br>
Allan<br>
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<div>To add here. I'm unclear if you have measured each
string or the whole array at 71v. </div>
<div>I would check each string for voc/isc. </div>
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<div>And then if they are consistent, I agree that putting 2
strings in series with a new controller might help out. </div>
<div>You can try it with the MX-60 as you are at only 142v. If
it works better then a new higher voltage CC would be
required for winter higher voc.</div>
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<div>Let us know what you find out.</div>
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<pre>Hello Off-Grid Wrenches,
I recently made a periodic maintenance visit to a residential off-grid system I take care of here in Southern CO, and discovered an interesting problem.
This system has an array of 48x Uni-Solar PVL-68 laminate modules applied directly to standing-seam metal roofing.
The data logging on the controller (Outback MX-60) indicated that the system was having trouble completing a charge cycle and going to float. Initially I assumed was due to heavy electrical use by the occupants (renters). After a little checking, I noticed that the module string voltage was only about 0.5V above the battery voltage!
This was a cool late morning, with full sun, and the array was charging almost 2kW at 54.5V. The module strings were running at 55V. I've noticed the module voltage being lower than I'd like before, but it has never been this low. I suspect this is the real reason the system hasn't been able to complete a charge cycle.
By removing the loads I was able to get an open-circuit voltage of 71V, but that still seems pretty low.
Has anyone else experienced a voltage degradation issue with the Uni-Solar laminate? What was the expected annual voltage degradation for this technology?
These modules do have some age on them. The system was installed about 15 years ago (by a competent installer who is now retired). The system was installed before MPPT controllers were common, so I assume the modules are wired in strings of 4 for 48V nominal.
Any experiences or opinions are appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
-Luke
Luke Christy
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