<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>They will have to pry my toilet from my cold dead rear end</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>Bob Ellison</div></div><div><br>On May 26, 2015, at 11:21 PM, Dan Fink <<a href="mailto:danbob88@gmail.com">danbob88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">If you are doing a replacement or new, anything 55 gallons and below is just extra insulation and slightly more efficient heating (and slightly larger size). Above 55 gallons, the mandate is basically new technology. I work only off the grid, and heat pump electric uses as much energy as a full size refrigerator, not an option (unless maybe with a timer as suggested in this thread, and a large PV system). The gas side of the mandate is condensing heaters that recover waste flue heat; we already have those on the on-demand side. Hopefully the SWAT teams can do double duty and seize toilets that use too many gallons per flush also.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Dan Fink<div>Buckville Energy</div><div>IREC Certified Instructor™ for: </div><div>~ PV Installation Professional</div><div>~ Small Wind Installer</div><div>NABCEP / IREC / ISPQ Accredited Continuing Education Providers™<br>970.672.4342<br><br> </div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Tom Lane <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@ecs-solar.com" target="_blank">tom@ecs-solar.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The water heater heat pump tanks , I am referring to are ONLY FOR HEATING DOMESTIC HOT WATER for washing clothes , showers , baths , and dish washing . On April 15 the Feds mandated all new standards for water heaters , ALL ELECTRIC AND GAS HOT WATER HEATERS ARE NOW ABOUT TWO INCHES IN DIAMETER AND SIX INCHES TALLER that were MANUFACTURED AFTER THAT DATE . All 66 , 80 and 120 gallon electric water heaters were OUTLAWED except for Solar Hot Water Tanks and 80 gallon water heater heat pumps are allowed . The normal size 30 , 40 , and 55 gallon electric and gas water heaters are now wider and taller ! Water heater heat pump tanks are usually 55 or 50 gallons or 80 gallons and have a heat pump only , hybrid ( heat pump and electric ) , electric only and off modes - for vacation . The idiot Feds think they should be used all over the USA , however , my research , sez to only use them in hot humid climates in garages ( which they will cool and dehumidify ) in climates in the h<br>
ot humid south and East Texas . Do your own research , or look at the research done at the Florida Solar Energy Center . GatorTom PS : rumor has it that the Feds may rescind the order from their hot water Czar on 80 and 120 gallon electric water heaters ! Or maybe they will send SWAT teams into plumbing supply houses to check on that and also their outlawing brass fittings with tiny amounts of lead .<br>
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