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      When I was at Intersolar 2 years ago in Munich I saw Solar Edge's
      system.<br>
      This article mentioned them as one of their partners.<br>
      <br>
      This was for Europe's "Self Consumption" program.  The solar array
      is somewhere<br>
      around 400 volts DC, regulated somewhat by the optimizers, and
      feeds into the<br>
      input of the bi-directional inverter and at the same time, to the
      bi-directional<br>
      charge controller and into the batteries (48V I think)<br>
      <br>
      So the charge controller can take from the batteries and feed to
      the 400V (ish)<br>
      bus and come out the inverter as AC to the grid and of course to
      power the house.<br>
      <br>
      There was a whole bunch of this kind of battery-solar interactive
      stuff at that show. <br>
      It was a pretty cool thing.  They (Germany, etc) want to be able
      to offset the utility<br>
      usage during peak times to relieve the grid.<br>
      <br>
      I figured it was just a matter of time before something like this
      might show up here.<br>
      I think this may be similar except at 400V battery.<br>
      <br>
      But  this new system, with the inverters as small power wise as
      they are going to<br>
      start out as, will not quite "power your house" ?<br>
      <br>
      The article I read made it sound like this was something  brand
      new.<br>
      <br>
      Imagine, people making their own electricity ?  Can't be done ! 
      Can it ?<br>
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      boB<br>
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      On 5/1/2015 5:02 PM, Jay wrote:<br>
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      <div>From what I've read on teslas website.  </div>
      <div>The batteries are 350-450vdc. </div>
      <div>These are not for existing 12-48v battery based inverters. </div>
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      <div>Jay</div>
      <div>Peltz power <br>
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        On May 1, 2015, at 4:46 PM, "Glenn Burt" <<a
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I can tell
                you that the Solar Edge inverters do not support AC
                coupling, as their reps told me at the NABCEP CE
                conference…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have seen
                pictures of some Solar City battery systems that use an
                XW as the inverter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                    RE-wrenches [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org">mailto:re-wrenches-bounces@lists.re-wrenches.org</a>]
                    <b>On Behalf Of </b>August Goers<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2015 6:50 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> RE-wrenches<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> [RE-wrenches] Tesla Powerwall
                    battery paired with solar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wrenches,<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure you’ve seen the Tesla
              Powerwall press releases by now:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy">http://www.teslamotors.com/presskit/teslaenergy</a><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">We are already getting calls from
              interested homeowners. The product mostly seems like a toy
              for wealthy people but nonetheless I would like to be
              educated in how it works. <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">There is mention that the battery pairs
              with Solar Edge inverters which makes sense because both
              the Powerwall and Solar Edge work off of ~350 VDC.  But, I
              can’t figure out how off grid operation would work during
              power outages. Maybe another battery inverter like a
              Schneider Conext is required?<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Any thoughts on this product for better
              or worse? <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">August<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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